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from ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works to lotrmemes@midwest.social on 20 Jan 2025 22:35
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TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 21 Jan 2025 01:02 collapse

Are those supposed to be twin lamps? I can’t make out what the left picture is at all.

ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 2025 01:32 collapse

They’re supposed to be the Two Trees from the Silmarillion.

TachyonTele@lemm.ee on 21 Jan 2025 01:35 collapse

Ah ok. I’m guessing the trees are after the lamps? Are they on the elf island?

I know the creation stuff, but not that much after it.

ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 2025 02:34 collapse

Yeah. I’m not sure why, from a narrative perspective, Tolkien choose to have Melkor destroy the world’s source of light (the lamps) and then have Melkor destroy the world’s source of light (the trees this time) again. I think it’s already clear that he’s the Dark Lord after the first time he does it, but maybe there’s some additional symbolism that I missed.

phdepressed@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 2025 06:04 collapse

What is destroyed can be brought back but not in the same way. Destruction is not the end even though things won’t be the same after, probably a world wars reference of sorts.

BearGun@ttrpg.network on 21 Jan 2025 11:12 collapse

Not everything needs to have deep/real-world meaning. As i recall, Tolkien really didn’t like people ascribing such things to his writing. They’re just stories and should be treated as such.

phdepressed@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jan 2025 12:51 collapse

That’s true but stories come from somewhere and people are allowed their own interpretations (within reason). Once something is out in the world you can’t control how other people perceive it.

BearGun@ttrpg.network on 21 Jan 2025 14:59 collapse

Absolutely, but calling it a reference implies that it was intentional by the writer, which seems unlikely considering what he’s said about such things.