He didn’t live happily ever after anyhow so nothing was lost. Also I think he kinda spar on the lives of everyone who died that day by keeping the ring sooooo too bad.
SARGE@startrek.website
on 12 Jan 15:27
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I’m sure that would have looked great to all the gathered men who were still alive.
“oh yeah, the elves showed up and one of them went up to the crack of doom with Isildur after his father died, and the elf came back alone and wouldn’t tell us what happened inside. Something’s fucky. We better prepare for an attack from the elves.”
Whether anyone actually threw hands immediately or not, men and elves would have a far shittier relationship after that.
The question is, did more suffering occur because Elrond didnt do this? We can’t know.
(but probably)
itsnotits@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 15:48
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We’d* better prepare
PunnyName@lemmy.world
on 12 Jan 15:58
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The minds of men are easily corrupted. Elrond could show video footage of everything that unfolded, and they’d still try to lynch him.
…and Gandalf the Grey spent 3 weeks drinking and smoking and setting off fireworks with the Hobbits, remembering his old friend Bilbo who died some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespan with his nephew Frodo…
THE END
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml
on 12 Jan 17:00
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remembering his old friend Bilbo who died some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespan horribly in a cave after being captured by goblins…
Would goblins/orcs still have endured without the lingering evil of Sauron?
They weren’t naturally occurring (yes they bred but they were made to be a breeding army for evil and I’m pretty sure Tolkien alluded them to dying out quickly after the ring was destroyed) in Tolkien’s lore I’m pretty sure and were interchangable terms for the same species in his lore even though they’re different in others.
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml
on 12 Jan 20:44
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remembering his old friend Bilbo who died some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespan horribly after encountering giant spiders in mirkwood…
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca
on 12 Jan 21:04
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Would they have even gone on that quest without Gandalf pushing for it to happen? Wasn’t Gandalf worried about Smaug helping out Sauron? Or is this the nasty Hobbitses films polluting my mind?
You know, there’s actually another trilogy even better than Lord of the Rings that was never written because this exact scenario played out. You would have loved it, but the guy who killed the other guy really did everyone a solid.
Gandalf wouldn’t even still be there, since he was only there to aid in the fight against Sauron. He’d have gone off to Valinor shortly after Sauron’s defeat, together with the rest of the elves. And there’d be no Aragorn to be a good pal and extend the good lifespans of the realms of Men, so Gondor would never get a new king and the realms of Men would likely fall to evil a bit into the third age.
I could totally see Gandalf still being in middle Earth. He cared about his mission because he fell in love with middle Earth. Had he not been elevated to Gandalf the White explicitly to compete his task reminding him he doesn’t belong there, I could very much see him having gone the way of Radagast, being a force for good in middle Earth for a long time.
Saruman, for all his faults, was correct, Gandalf’s love of the haflings and the good of middle earth was making him complacent.
The power of the Ring was such that nobody, not even Elrond, stood a chance of intentionally acting to destroy it. Elrond couldn’t have pushed Isildur if he tried. Frodo and Gollum only managed to get the ring into the lava because they were fighting to keep it for themselves and went over the edge accidentally.
This is the kind of nerdy comment I’ve come to love about this sub.
CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world
on 14 Jan 15:49
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That first point doesn’t matter, because the film is the film and it is not beholden to events of the book. The second point is a good one, though, because that aspect of the Ring is extremely well established in the films.
ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol
on 12 Jan 21:12
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Quality content.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Jan 02:08
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He didn’t live happily ever after anyhow so nothing was lost. Also I think he kinda spar on the lives of everyone who died that day by keeping the ring sooooo too bad.
I’m sure that would have looked great to all the gathered men who were still alive.
“oh yeah, the elves showed up and one of them went up to the crack of doom with Isildur after his father died, and the elf came back alone and wouldn’t tell us what happened inside. Something’s fucky. We better prepare for an attack from the elves.”
Whether anyone actually threw hands immediately or not, men and elves would have a far shittier relationship after that.
The question is, did more suffering occur because Elrond didnt do this? We can’t know.
(but probably)
The minds of men are easily corrupted. Elrond could show video footage of everything that unfolded, and they’d still try to lynch him.
It's tribalism yo.
I mean he could just say a Balrog attacked them and Isildur died a hero.
A balrog? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Located entirely within the confines of the walkway leading from the crack of doom?
Yes?
Can I see it?
No.
How about yes? kicks him into the volcano too
shit, i wanna see the balrog too!
can i see it?
Hey! we looking at the balrog?
Guys elrond is showing us the balrog!
It’s inside an erupting volcano. Be my guest.
“Can I see it?”
Middle Earth version of Discworld’s “wizard did it” 😄
Boring movie series then.
…and Gandalf the Grey spent 3 weeks drinking and smoking and setting off fireworks with the Hobbits, remembering his old friend Bilbo who died some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespan with his nephew Frodo…
THE END
remembering his old friend Bilbo who died
some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespanhorribly in a cave after being captured by goblins…Would goblins/orcs still have endured without the lingering evil of Sauron?
They weren’t naturally occurring (yes they bred but they were made to be a breeding army for evil and I’m pretty sure Tolkien alluded them to dying out quickly after the ring was destroyed) in Tolkien’s lore I’m pretty sure and were interchangable terms for the same species in his lore even though they’re different in others.
remembering his old friend Bilbo who died
some years earlier after an average hobbit lifespanhorribly after encountering giant spiders in mirkwood…Would they have even gone on that quest without Gandalf pushing for it to happen? Wasn’t Gandalf worried about Smaug helping out Sauron? Or is this the nasty Hobbitses films polluting my mind?
You know, there’s actually another trilogy even better than Lord of the Rings that was never written because this exact scenario played out. You would have loved it, but the guy who killed the other guy really did everyone a solid.
Gandalf wouldn’t even still be there, since he was only there to aid in the fight against Sauron. He’d have gone off to Valinor shortly after Sauron’s defeat, together with the rest of the elves. And there’d be no Aragorn to be a good pal and extend the good lifespans of the realms of Men, so Gondor would never get a new king and the realms of Men would likely fall to evil a bit into the third age.
I could totally see Gandalf still being in middle Earth. He cared about his mission because he fell in love with middle Earth. Had he not been elevated to Gandalf the White explicitly to compete his task reminding him he doesn’t belong there, I could very much see him having gone the way of Radagast, being a force for good in middle Earth for a long time.
Saruman, for all his faults, was correct, Gandalf’s love of the haflings and the good of middle earth was making him complacent.
That’s a fair point, i can absolutely see Gandalf the Grey justifying with something like “there is more evil in this world than just Sauron”.
Obligatory reminder that:
Video going into “nerdy detail:” www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68HWtN4zG8
This is the kind of nerdy comment I’ve come to love about this sub.
That first point doesn’t matter, because the film is the film and it is not beholden to events of the book. The second point is a good one, though, because that aspect of the Ring is extremely well established in the films.
Quality content.
Obligatory this is Arda!