MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca
on 11 Oct 06:02
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Puts a new meaning to hobbit hole.
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Oct 07:15
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Just give that whole hobbit hole description a re-read with this in mind… 😶
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Oct 12:58
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“In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that meant comfort.”
otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Oct 15:58
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What’s not to like? 🤷🏼♂️🙏🏼
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 20:07
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monkeyman512@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 07:01
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I think that is a literal storyline in Belgarath the Sorcerer. The wizard, Belgarath, spends thousands of years monitoring and manipulating various family lines. One of those is a line of dryads who are tiny and all female. He was “forced” to mate with them or they would kill him with bows, but he didn’t really complain about it. He is able to avoid these “conflicts” in the future after discovering chocolate makes them orgasm.
Some times you don’t think about how weird this shit gets until you explain it to someone else.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org
on 11 Oct 07:07
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Some times you don’t think about how weird this shit gets until you explain it to someone else.
Also their 10,000 year old mental facilities just happen to align with a 12 year old's personality because of their super long life spans! That's totally not weird at all!
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 10:48
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I hate this aspect so much. Like, bro, can’t you just make cool cartoons without sexualizing the characters?
Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Oct 11:49
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Everything in life is directly or indirectly about sex. We’re literally machines “designed” for the purpose of procreation, i.e. sex. Just makes sense that all our stories are about it as well :D
While one can squint hard to see the connections to procreation with enough steps in between, that doesn't mean everything should be sexualized. Working a farm to produce food food is necessary for one to live long enough to reproduce, but farming isn't about sex.
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Oct 18:47
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Plant sex
Horsecook@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Oct 23:46
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Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Oct 20:19
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Obviously people like sex and want things sexualized, otherwise it wouldn’t be created. I like sexualized comics. If you don’t like it, then no one forces you to select to read/watch the comics that are sexualized. Obviously, since many people like sexualized stuff, you will have to deal with the (probably smaller) selection of comics that don’t do it, of which I’m sure they exist.
I just don’t understand the need to hate things like this. I don’t hate it if a comic isn’t sexualized, even though that’s not what I prefer.
that intro in the kitchen is still stuck in my head
fuck them both, so disappointed
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 12:20
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I still have them in my collection. All of Eddings, except High Hunt and The Losers. Now I don’t want to give them away, yet I no longer cherish them :(
Yeah, I loved pretty much all Eddings wrote, because it’s such simple, light-hearted style of fantasy. Even thinking the Death of the Author (they’re not profiting from the books you already own, and are quite literally dead so nobody suffers or benefits from you owning or reading the books) it leaves such a bad taste in your mouth. Since now every time you read or even think of the books, you remember what pieces of shit the authors were and it taints the whole thing.
I always fear reading up about authors (and musicians, actors… etc.) because so many of them turn out to be such pieces of shit and that ruins everything
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 17:28
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I have the Dangerous album from Michael Jackson, shelved for decades without listening, for pretty much the same reason :(
Yeah… It sucks. I have some Marion Zimmer-Bradleys books in the shelf that have been unread for years because I learned of the author’s pedophilia when I was in the middle of that series. Really soured the whole thing. At least with Eddings they were caught and punished and didn’t do evil shit for decades afterwards, so you can keep up some hope they became better people in the end…
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
on 11 Oct 19:18
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I knew about the allegations against MZB, luckily I never got into her books, so it’s not a big loss for me - but just now I got curious and did some reading - Is this article legitimately by MZB’s daughter?
thembeforeus.com/moira-greyland-i-was-born-into-a…
That’s a sad outcome - of course it is understandable that as a traumatized victim she has a risk to have a warped vision of reality - but holy cow, to blame homosexuality as the root of the problem, that’s losing the plot entirely.
I still don’t really understand this sentiment. Could you please explain why this is the case for you? I really mean this as curiosity.
I can certainly understand current things, like if there is a book author right now that is a piece of shit and they try to sell a new book, of course I won’t buy it. Also not support their old stuff. But why exactly is their effect in the past tainted by this? LotR is still an amazing book, talking about lots of good things like friendship, loyalty, self-sacrifice etc, creating a beautifully interesting fantasy world. Why is this ruined, why can you not appreciate this now that you know the author is a piece of shit?
Well, in this case it’s a book that features small sexualized female creatures, which is already pretty ick, but then you put the fact that the Eddings’ went to jail on multiple charges of “extensive physical child abuse” and that’s a whole new layer of closely connected grossness.
It’s one thing to accept death of the author when the material isn’t related to whatever it is the author did. It’s a bit more unsettling when the work seems like it was influenced by those same proclivities.
For context, David and Leigh Eddings were convicted in the late 60s for child abuse in South Dakota. They literally put their adopted children in cages.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 12 Oct 00:34
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Wrong.
Some of Tolkien’s specific inspirations were the Germanic Sagas, including the Nibelungenlied and Volsunga Saga.
A theme of both is that heros are often descendants of the Aesir, specifically Odin, and Gandalf is patterned after Odin to an undeniable degree, a wise and enigmatic warrior-mage often depicted as grey cloaked, proficient in rune lore, carrying a staff or spear.
Not only that, Gandalf means elf with a stick, and a common theory for his origin among the men that knew he lived longer than mortals is that he was literally just an elf.
Tolkien may or may not have specifically intended it, but he’d certainly agree that you could read it that way with the influences he drew from, and it is also a special point of his Middle Earth (aka Midgard btw) that the history they tell isn’t necessarily the history that happened. The hobbits having forgotten that it was Gandalf banging GranGran Took or mistaking him as an elf isn’t just a likely theory, it’s a probable one. Further, we also know that Maia WILL marry and have children from some of his other histories.
Or not, and it was just an elf who died or returned to Valinor, with Gandalf just keeping an eye on the line! He’s tricky like that.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
on 12 Oct 15:11
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This is the first I’ve read this particular take, but I got about the same from my recent read of “The Hobbit”. This is, at the least, heavily implied.
There’s clearly a past relationship, causing loyalty, and it specifically follows the Took bloodline.
I’m sure there are other explanations than Gandalf loving and sleeping with a Took sometime in the past…but there aren’t really any simpler explanations that include the familial (possibly genetic) aspect.
Gandalf always checks in with Took family members, and has done so longer than anyone can remember.
Took family members tend toward an adventurous spirit that defies explanation in their Hobbit culture. Took family members tend to leave home, return wealthy, and say very little about their time spent away.
Gandalf only takes an interest in Bilbo upon learning that Bilbo has Took bloodline.
Various characters criticise Gandalf’s involvement with Hobbits in ways that maybe have “there’s more to this” undertones. This one is iffy, there’s always “more to this” with Gandalf, anyway.
Everyone knows Gandalf loves Hobbit…smoking weed.
It could really be as simple as Gandalf and a Took Hobbit ages back had adventures and became practically brothers/sisters in arms. Perhaps Gandalf owes some kind of oath to a dying Took. But it doesn’t feel like an oath in the books.
Gandalf acts like distant family.
But there’s undeniably an awful lot of “Gandalf acts like an agesless great great grand uncle to all Tooks” going on.
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Puts a new meaning to hobbit hole.
Just give that whole hobbit hole description a re-read with this in mind… 😶
“In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that meant comfort.”
What’s not to like? 🤷🏼♂️🙏🏼
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Gandalf is into shortstacks
A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He cums precisely when he means to.
Maia, he?
Maia, hoe.
Maia. Ha ha.
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WHEN YOU LEAVE MY GANDALF TURNS TO GREY
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Numa Numanorian
I can believe this. Pull some Old Toby out for the ladies and get all staffed up. Gandalf is coming out baby
Fuck, that makes more sens then it should.
I think that is a literal storyline in Belgarath the Sorcerer. The wizard, Belgarath, spends thousands of years monitoring and manipulating various family lines. One of those is a line of dryads who are tiny and all female. He was “forced” to mate with them or they would kill him with bows, but he didn’t really complain about it. He is able to avoid these “conflicts” in the future after discovering chocolate makes them orgasm.
Some times you don’t think about how weird this shit gets until you explain it to someone else.
Every anime ever
Were the dryads 10,000 year old 12-year-old girls?
exasperated sigh LOOK they’re MENTALLY 10,000 YEARS OLD but only THE BODY is 12 OKAY??? IT’S TOTALLY NOT WEIRD
MOMGUYS!!!1!1one!Also their 10,000 year old mental facilities just happen to align with a 12 year old's personality because of their super long life spans! That's totally not weird at all!
I hate this aspect so much. Like, bro, can’t you just make cool cartoons without sexualizing the characters?
Everything in life is directly or indirectly about sex. We’re literally machines “designed” for the purpose of procreation, i.e. sex. Just makes sense that all our stories are about it as well :D
While one can squint hard to see the connections to procreation with enough steps in between, that doesn't mean everything should be sexualized. Working a farm to produce food food is necessary for one to live long enough to reproduce, but farming isn't about sex.
Plant sex
Plant/insect/plant interracial threesomes. Insect prostitution. Animal sex. Animal prostitution. Animal masturbation, forced impregnation.
Obviously people like sex and want things sexualized, otherwise it wouldn’t be created. I like sexualized comics. If you don’t like it, then no one forces you to select to read/watch the comics that are sexualized. Obviously, since many people like sexualized stuff, you will have to deal with the (probably smaller) selection of comics that don’t do it, of which I’m sure they exist.
I just don’t understand the need to hate things like this. I don’t hate it if a comic isn’t sexualized, even though that’s not what I prefer.
Every single fertility god and goddess throughout history is giving you the side-eye right now.
Or just make the sexualised characters slightly more age appropriate. Gimme hot moms in their 30s or something
Bad memories since I read last week about David and Leigh Eddings having both spent a year in prison for horrific abuse of their adopted children :(
Yeah, I loved those books.
dusty unopened book noises
that intro in the kitchen is still stuck in my head
fuck them both, so disappointed
I still have them in my collection. All of Eddings, except High Hunt and The Losers. Now I don’t want to give them away, yet I no longer cherish them :(
Yeah, I loved pretty much all Eddings wrote, because it’s such simple, light-hearted style of fantasy. Even thinking the Death of the Author (they’re not profiting from the books you already own, and are quite literally dead so nobody suffers or benefits from you owning or reading the books) it leaves such a bad taste in your mouth. Since now every time you read or even think of the books, you remember what pieces of shit the authors were and it taints the whole thing.
I always fear reading up about authors (and musicians, actors… etc.) because so many of them turn out to be such pieces of shit and that ruins everything
I have the Dangerous album from Michael Jackson, shelved for decades without listening, for pretty much the same reason :(
Yeah… It sucks. I have some Marion Zimmer-Bradleys books in the shelf that have been unread for years because I learned of the author’s pedophilia when I was in the middle of that series. Really soured the whole thing. At least with Eddings they were caught and punished and didn’t do evil shit for decades afterwards, so you can keep up some hope they became better people in the end…
I knew about the allegations against MZB, luckily I never got into her books, so it’s not a big loss for me - but just now I got curious and did some reading - Is this article legitimately by MZB’s daughter? thembeforeus.com/moira-greyland-i-was-born-into-a…
That’s a sad outcome - of course it is understandable that as a traumatized victim she has a risk to have a warped vision of reality - but holy cow, to blame homosexuality as the root of the problem, that’s losing the plot entirely.
Yikes! That’s even worse than what I knew about the whole ordeal. What a sad outcome indeed… :(
Well… fuck.
The simple word “extensive” on Wikipedia says plenty.
So just regular humans then, got it.
it gets easier when you learn the author was a piece of shit
ruins a beloved childhood book
I still don’t really understand this sentiment. Could you please explain why this is the case for you? I really mean this as curiosity.
I can certainly understand current things, like if there is a book author right now that is a piece of shit and they try to sell a new book, of course I won’t buy it. Also not support their old stuff. But why exactly is their effect in the past tainted by this? LotR is still an amazing book, talking about lots of good things like friendship, loyalty, self-sacrifice etc, creating a beautifully interesting fantasy world. Why is this ruined, why can you not appreciate this now that you know the author is a piece of shit?
I think they’re talking about David and Leigh Eddings, authors of Belgarath the Sorcerer.
Didn’t know that :) don’t know that book then, thought I was just forgetting something about LotR. But my original question still stands.
Well, in this case it’s a book that features small sexualized female creatures, which is already pretty ick, but then you put the fact that the Eddings’ went to jail on multiple charges of “extensive physical child abuse” and that’s a whole new layer of closely connected grossness.
It’s one thing to accept death of the author when the material isn’t related to whatever it is the author did. It’s a bit more unsettling when the work seems like it was influenced by those same proclivities.
Understandable, thanks for the correction :) as I thought it was about LotR, my comment is basically completely irrelevant xD
“You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.”
For context, David and Leigh Eddings were convicted in the late 60s for child abuse in South Dakota. They literally put their adopted children in cages.
Ok yeah then I completely missed everything :) thanks for the context
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Chocolate making women orgasm is common knowledge to anyone who’s seen a dove commercial.
But neither do elves, as far as we know.
…Gandalf, you sly dog.
What season of Rings of Power will this subplot be in?
So, midget pron?
But I ain’t kink shaming.
I prefer normal-sized prawns myself, to be honest
Will always upvote this one.
Wonder what Tolkien would have made of all these fan theories.
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Wrong.
Some of Tolkien’s specific inspirations were the Germanic Sagas, including the Nibelungenlied and Volsunga Saga.
A theme of both is that heros are often descendants of the Aesir, specifically Odin, and Gandalf is patterned after Odin to an undeniable degree, a wise and enigmatic warrior-mage often depicted as grey cloaked, proficient in rune lore, carrying a staff or spear.
Not only that, Gandalf means elf with a stick, and a common theory for his origin among the men that knew he lived longer than mortals is that he was literally just an elf.
Tolkien may or may not have specifically intended it, but he’d certainly agree that you could read it that way with the influences he drew from, and it is also a special point of his Middle Earth (aka Midgard btw) that the history they tell isn’t necessarily the history that happened. The hobbits having forgotten that it was Gandalf banging GranGran Took or mistaking him as an elf isn’t just a likely theory, it’s a probable one. Further, we also know that Maia WILL marry and have children from some of his other histories.
Or not, and it was just an elf who died or returned to Valinor, with Gandalf just keeping an eye on the line! He’s tricky like that.
This is the first I’ve read this particular take, but I got about the same from my recent read of “The Hobbit”. This is, at the least, heavily implied.
There’s clearly a past relationship, causing loyalty, and it specifically follows the Took bloodline.
I’m sure there are other explanations than Gandalf loving and sleeping with a Took sometime in the past…but there aren’t really any simpler explanations that include the familial (possibly genetic) aspect.
It could really be as simple as Gandalf and a Took Hobbit ages back had adventures and became practically brothers/sisters in arms. Perhaps Gandalf owes some kind of oath to a dying Took. But it doesn’t feel like an oath in the books.
Gandalf acts like distant family.
But there’s undeniably an awful lot of “Gandalf acts like an agesless great great grand uncle to all Tooks” going on.
nodding Nicholsonly
That’s why he’s so pissed at Pippin all the time. He’s an embarrassment to the family 😂
Might also be why all the other older hobbits dislike gandalf. They fear he is after their ladies
He’s oversized, overpowered and over here.
“I am not trying to rob you; I’m trying to fuck you.”
Holy shit