thisfro@slrpnk.net
on 15 Nov 2024 08:11
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Why the downvotes?
imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 2024 08:23
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It’s not an entertaining meme
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 15 Nov 2024 08:26
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Sure. That’s what ignoring something is for.
imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 2024 08:44
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I didn’t downvote. But I didn’t upvote either.
It’s just not really a good meme at all, so it’s going to get downvotes. That’s what downvotes are for.
The more unusual circumstance is that it got so many upvotes despite being a crappy meme. This clearly indicates that we have a lot of Lemmy users who support trans youth. Good for us, that makes me glad. Still not good content for this particular community imho, so I didn’t upvote.
nitefox@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 2024 18:13
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The downvotes are probably more about what it’s being supported than it being a shitty meme (which I concur)
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 2024 12:55
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Gender Affirming Care for minors is by far the most controversial element of the trans rights movement, it’s going to get downvotes even on relatively safe places like lemmy.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 Nov 2024 15:58
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I think gender affirming care for minors has more support than trans participation in sports, for example.
EDIT:
In 2023 69% of Americans believed trans people should only be able to play on the team of the gender they were assigned at birth, according to this Gallup poll.
In 2024 62% of Americans oppose banning gender affirming care for minors in this Gallup poll.
EDIT2:
It’s also a little weird to call gender affirming care for minors a controversial part of a “trans rights movement” when it’s primarily supported by the mainstream medical organizations. Of course the trans rights movement wishes to oppose anti-trans legislation to ban such care, but gender affirming care for minors is not a fringe, controversial practice being pushed primarily by trans rights activists.
The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of providing gender affirming care, and the only “controversy” comes from objections pushed by anti-trans activists who lie, make bad faith arguments, and appeal to pseudo-science and debunked theories to advance their cause.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 2024 14:25
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Things can be both part of a social movement and thoughoughly backed by scientific consensus: see climate change. No offesne was intended in my response.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Nov 2024 14:32
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I figured you didn’t intend offense, and I’m not offended personally - just mulling over your comment and realizing several things struck me as a little wrong upon reflection.
I still think you’re probably right overall that the current anti-trans moral panic (and the anti-trans activism that led to it) has resulted in the average American thinking of gender-affirming care for minors as “controversial”, and that this average American also probably thinks that gender-affirming care for minors is a part of a trans rights movement.
seahorse@midwest.social
on 15 Nov 2024 13:42
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TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2024 19:26
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I wish that were the case. Unfortunately, human rights are up for political debate, since a lot of people are vehemently against them.
Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Nov 2024 21:54
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That’s a nice hobby or interest you got there. Would be a shame if someone…SHARTED SANTORUM ALL OVER IT!!! Fuck your hobby! It’s part of the trans movement now!!
And that, they and thems, is why so many people find the movement so God damn insufferable.
3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net
on 15 Nov 2024 23:45
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It’s true I can coopt an entire concept into the transgender agenda by making a single meme. Everything you love is now transgender.
nitefox@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 2024 18:14
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Are they transgender too, now?
NotBillMurray@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 19:30
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How dare people checks notes want a degree of representation in the media and hobbies they enjoy.
Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Nov 2024 00:16
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I didn’t say anything about not allowing representation.
Honestly, my main gripe here is that an intensely emotional scene that is held in such high regard because of the story and context, has been cheapened by adding a sociopolitical slant to it! This moment (which I know does not occur in the book the same way), is about the Mighty King Aragorn, facing his death willingly in service of his friend Frodo.
That’s it and that’s all. In the context it’s a powerful moment that makes ALL PEOPLE (except maybe sociopaths) feel a sense of honor and comradery for two beloved characters.
It’s not a fucking allegory for “kids who haven’t even hit puberty yet should be allowed to transition!!”
Please feel free to create any new story of any kind that represents absolutely every subgroup of person who feels marginalized! (it would have to be a 30 season slog with incessant infighting about which group is more marginalized and thus deserves more representation than the others).
But then, of course, nobody would watch it (or at least not enough people to warrant a production company spending so much money on such a project) So, we start the cycle over and the trans movement once again has to pirate another big name IP to feel “really seen” (aka, LOOK AT ME!!!)
I’m sorry to have to break the news here, but the trans community makes up 1.14% of the population of the US!
I think, considering this data, that it is OVER represented in modern culture!
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 05:21
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Go Squirrels!
threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Nov 2024 18:31
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!squirrels@lemmy.ca?
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 19:16
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threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Nov 2024 07:37
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I do not recognize these characters.
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee
on 16 Nov 2024 16:01
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No one should be making permanent, lasting decisions with potentially major impacts on society until after their brain has fully developed- so roughly around age 24.
By which I obviously mean no one under 24 should be allowed to have kids.
cue the Church’s self-righteous and unbearably self-serving indignation
rustydomino@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 17:28
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Ngl you had me there for a second.
NotBillMurray@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 19:28
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“Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to my day job of signing up 16 year olds to multi year contracts with the military…”
rustydomino@lemmy.world
on 16 Nov 2024 17:31
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For those of you saying it’s not a good meme gtfo. What would Aragorn do? He would have followed us to the end, to the very fires of Mordor. If only we had a compassionate leader like Aragorn in this fucked up world.
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Why the downvotes?
It’s not an entertaining meme
Sure. That’s what ignoring something is for.
I didn’t downvote. But I didn’t upvote either.
It’s just not really a good meme at all, so it’s going to get downvotes. That’s what downvotes are for.
The more unusual circumstance is that it got so many upvotes despite being a crappy meme. This clearly indicates that we have a lot of Lemmy users who support trans youth. Good for us, that makes me glad. Still not good content for this particular community imho, so I didn’t upvote.
The downvotes are probably more about what it’s being supported than it being a shitty meme (which I concur)
Gender Affirming Care for minors is by far the most controversial element of the trans rights movement, it’s going to get downvotes even on relatively safe places like lemmy.
I think gender affirming care for minors has more support than trans participation in sports, for example.
EDIT:
In 2023 69% of Americans believed trans people should only be able to play on the team of the gender they were assigned at birth, according to this Gallup poll.
In 2024 62% of Americans oppose banning gender affirming care for minors in this Gallup poll.
EDIT2:
It’s also a little weird to call gender affirming care for minors a controversial part of a “trans rights movement” when it’s primarily supported by the mainstream medical organizations. Of course the trans rights movement wishes to oppose anti-trans legislation to ban such care, but gender affirming care for minors is not a fringe, controversial practice being pushed primarily by trans rights activists.
Here is a list of the links to statements by the medical organizations supporting gender affirming care, which includes the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Pediatric Endocrine Society, the American Psychological Association, etc.
The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of providing gender affirming care, and the only “controversy” comes from objections pushed by anti-trans activists who lie, make bad faith arguments, and appeal to pseudo-science and debunked theories to advance their cause.
Things can be both part of a social movement and thoughoughly backed by scientific consensus: see climate change. No offesne was intended in my response.
I figured you didn’t intend offense, and I’m not offended personally - just mulling over your comment and realizing several things struck me as a little wrong upon reflection.
I still think you’re probably right overall that the current anti-trans moral panic (and the anti-trans activism that led to it) has resulted in the average American thinking of gender-affirming care for minors as “controversial”, and that this average American also probably thinks that gender-affirming care for minors is a part of a trans rights movement.
<img alt="" src="https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/541237a7-6f29-484a-b869-438d906278fb.png">
Human rights aren’t politics
I wish that were the case. Unfortunately, human rights are up for political debate, since a lot of people are vehemently against them.
That’s a nice hobby or interest you got there. Would be a shame if someone…SHARTED SANTORUM ALL OVER IT!!! Fuck your hobby! It’s part of the trans movement now!!
And that, they and thems, is why so many people find the movement so God damn insufferable.
It’s true I can coopt an entire concept into the transgender agenda by making a single meme. Everything you love is now transgender.
Are they transgender too, now?
How dare people checks notes want a degree of representation in the media and hobbies they enjoy.
I didn’t say anything about not allowing representation.
Honestly, my main gripe here is that an intensely emotional scene that is held in such high regard because of the story and context, has been cheapened by adding a sociopolitical slant to it! This moment (which I know does not occur in the book the same way), is about the Mighty King Aragorn, facing his death willingly in service of his friend Frodo.
That’s it and that’s all. In the context it’s a powerful moment that makes ALL PEOPLE (except maybe sociopaths) feel a sense of honor and comradery for two beloved characters.
It’s not a fucking allegory for “kids who haven’t even hit puberty yet should be allowed to transition!!”
Please feel free to create any new story of any kind that represents absolutely every subgroup of person who feels marginalized! (it would have to be a 30 season slog with incessant infighting about which group is more marginalized and thus deserves more representation than the others).
But then, of course, nobody would watch it (or at least not enough people to warrant a production company spending so much money on such a project) So, we start the cycle over and the trans movement once again has to pirate another big name IP to feel “really seen” (aka, LOOK AT ME!!!)
I’m sorry to have to break the news here, but the trans community makes up 1.14% of the population of the US!
I think, considering this data, that it is OVER represented in modern culture!
Go Squirrels!
!squirrels@lemmy.ca?
Squirrels:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/31ae49ea-dcc6-41d3-a044-60ce6b1685ad.png">
I do not recognize these characters.
No one should be making permanent, lasting decisions with potentially major impacts on society until after their brain has fully developed- so roughly around age 24.
By which I obviously mean no one under 24 should be allowed to have kids.
cue the Church’s self-righteous and unbearably self-serving indignation
Ngl you had me there for a second.
“Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to my day job of signing up 16 year olds to multi year contracts with the military…”
For those of you saying it’s not a good meme gtfo. What would Aragorn do? He would have followed us to the end, to the very fires of Mordor. If only we had a compassionate leader like Aragorn in this fucked up world.