Denethor's Despair
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to lotrmemes@midwest.social on 02 Jan 13:40
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dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net on 02 Jan 16:51 next collapse

And the people proselytizing despair get away with it because toxic positivity has been such a powerful negative force. Hope isn’t smiles and ignorance, it’s riding to the black gate trusting that Frodo and Sam are doing their jobs even though you can’t personally see them.

nixon@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jan 17:55 collapse

I like your take on hope. Doing your part hoping the rest of your battle group is doing theirs too.

It relies on trust, which there is also too little of nowadays.

greenskye@lemmy.zip on 02 Jan 17:38 next collapse

I think this is because we’re missing our Aragorn. We need someone to rally us and nobody has yet risen to do so.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jan 19:05 next collapse

Sounds like Greta

Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org on 02 Jan 22:44 collapse

Too bad she doesn’t have an awesome sword

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jan 23:02 collapse

YET

IronBird@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 18:10 collapse

mamdani winning NYC is pretty big imo. open socialist winning major seat in what is probably the most corrupt/good olde boys city in the USA (tied with like…boston, maybe)?

US is at inflection point, everyone just waiting for trump to die in vain hope that things “return to normal” (ie. unsustainable ratfucking).

when that doesn’t happen, shit goes from bad to worse…then we either get a massive progressive wave or amerikkka for the elections this year.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 06:24 collapse

most corrupt/good olde boys city in the USA

that would be chicago

IronBird@lemmy.world on 03 Jan 20:24 collapse

huh, have any events/books on this you’d recommend to read up on the topic? every US city has their shitty internal politics but outside looking in Chicago seems better than NYC in that respect

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 03:24 collapse

maybe i’m just showing my age and haven’t been keeping up with current news. i just remember it being some sort of a common knowledge thing. i also want to know more (specifically about tammany hall and the federalist society and yes i know that that’s new york but it’s totally related). i mean this is wikipedia

nixon@sh.itjust.works on 02 Jan 17:55 next collapse

As they say, “misery loves company.”

ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net on 02 Jan 18:21 next collapse

My eyes roll out of my skull every time I see some “humanity is doomed, it’s our nature to kill ourselves, if only we weren’t so selfish and shortsighted” spiel, which always ignores the actual structural causes of the problems in favor of some weepy original sin diagnosis.

Etterra@discuss.online on 02 Jan 21:35 next collapse

This is just “misery loves company” with more words.

VubDapple@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 14:32 next collapse

doomscrolling the palantir

What a brilliant image and very in keeping with Tolkien’s disdain for modern technology. Sauron using technology to run a psyop on Gondor, and it worked.

arctanthrope@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 16:20 collapse

I don’t understand why they removed Denethor’s Palantir from the movies, it’s like the whole point of his character, without it nothing he does makes sense

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 02 Jan 17:07 collapse

I wouldn’t say it doesn’t make sense. Movie Denethor looks like someone who has completed and utterly cracked under stress.

Not only did his favoured son die, but he died after not wanting to go to Rivendell and Denethor forcing him to go and take the ring. Denethor blames himself for the death of Boromir.

Add to that the fear and pressure of bordering Mordor at a time when he knows Sauron is preparing for war and your city is right on their doorstep, it doesn’t seem that crazy that he cracked.

He certainly has more depth in the book, and there’s more sympathy towards him, but he still makes sense in the films IMO.