Reddit and FaceID Verification
from kamayatu24@lemmy.world to privacy@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 13:53
https://lemmy.world/post/44633911
from kamayatu24@lemmy.world to privacy@lemmy.ml on 23 Mar 13:53
https://lemmy.world/post/44633911
Reddit CEO says facial verification may be introduced. Ostensibly to prevent bots.
But we all know how dangerous this can be. But most likely Reddit users will just accept it.
Although they have a great free analogue right under their noses - Lemmy. Which is many times better than its competitor.
I wish more people would discover Lemmy, but that’s unlikely.
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Do it. I can’t wait for it.
Maybe we can get more people on the Fediverse lol
I’d be cautious about seeing that as good news. I’ll always be suspicious of how many posts here are either partially or entirely automated, whether that means automatically reposting stuff from other sites, fully generated text, or just augmenting a human’s posting.
I like to think we’re too small for most botters to care about us, but who knows! As far as I’m aware, no one service has any reliable tools for spotting generated posts. No way are federated services prepared to deal with the insane influx of bots that would naturally come with being significantly more popular. Seems like all we have are captchas…
I can fairly certainly confirm that influnece agents are active on lemmy. Including plenty of US government connected ones ginning up support for the Iran war. Especially on the larger .world accounts it appears.
.world is no different than reddit and anyone on that instance should expect such skullduggery.
I’m on .world and on reddit, and reddit is much, much worse.
It’s clear that the leftwing left wing left reddit a while ago; so that leaves behind liberals, conservatives, and moderates that still can’t make up their minds about Trump somehow.
Once there’s enough people on the Fediverse it will get noticed by the Authorities and when that happens you’ll see instances start shutting down as they are unwilling, or unable, to comply with the Age Verification and Social Media laws that are being passed all over the globe.
I’m somewhat surprised that the NSFW instances haven’t already been hit by the Age Verification laws that many US States have but as soon as a single state, say Utah, notices the rest of them will pile on and the Fediverse will start to unravel.
This isn’t just a US problem either, there’s Age Verification and Social Media laws being proposed or already in effect in many Western Nations. Hell the two Australian instances are already afoul of the laws in their country so as soon as their Government notices they are going to have some difficult decisions to make.
Be careful what you phish for.
Ideally a more critical mass so I can talk about my more niche hobbies. Like looking at video game leaks.
Or something like /r/3d6 on reddit.
I’m sure they’ll have no issues allowing bots that align with their interests
Yeah lol wat
openai.com/index/openai-and-reddit-partnership/
Spez can eat my ass in hell if he thinks he’s getting any more of my info.
There’s no way they want to eliminate bot traffic, it would kill 2/3rds of their traffic instantly. So this just means, “bots that aren’t paying us.”
Reddit, very famously, used bot traffic at its inception to create the illusion of a community big enough to compete with Digg.
It was the OG “fake it till you make it” business.
As the company implements an increasingly draconian “ban every account that looks at me sideways” admin policy, I’m not sure if “2/3rds of the traiffc” isn’t lowballing it. There are entire threads - from initial post to bullshit bottom comment - that get created by bot traffic on the modern site. It’s a full blown hall of mirrors over there.
Feels like 99% of “social” network startups. The dead Internet theory started before the LLM craze.
Goes back to email. Easier to create a machine that churns out digital messages than find humans to do the work manually. So you get increasing loads of spam and gibberish, attempting to out-shout one another in a digital space with no bureaucratic regulation or material limits.
That said, one thing that made early social media like Facebook and MySpace and Livejournal appear valuable was the degree of human interaction. What’s more, the interpersonal networks that formed between verified humans gave enormous value to communications across the platform.
Facebook did a pretty good job, early on, of limiting who could join based on authentication through college admin offices. MySpace had a large cohort of real human artists producing real human music, which attracted a real human following. Livejournal predated a lot of advertisement-by-blogging. After the Dot-Com bubble burst, this is where you could see green shoots of economic value in a digital space.
We’ve demolished all that chasing fictitious capital. How valuable it was in practice is debatable, of course. But it’s all gone now.
Tumblr survived botification largely culturally intact
I’ll have to take your word for it
Take mine too. It’s really funny how tumblr banned porn so all the gooners went to twitter and now tumblr is kinda healthy with a really vocal userbase that WILL backlash at any attempt on enshittifying the platform
The biggest con with tumblr is the CEO, but he’s too busy making everyone distrust Wordpress.
The ban of every website’s existence.
I’m no heritage Tumblr user, I didn’t have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I’d say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist’s post eventually will get a “Are you open for comms?” post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people.
But like in terms of real people posting? I don’t even know if I’ve ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and “for you” feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually!
We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas.
I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced?
I say it like waffle + urn (or fern) = wahfern
I just know it’s supoosed to be an acronym for “We Allow Female Representing Nipples” as a joking response to Tumblr’s porn ban, which removed posts with “Female Representing Nipples”
Pretty sure it dates back to the dawn of commerce.
Indeed, when I read this parent comment I had in mind a snake oil salesman in Lucky Luke (Doc Doxey’s Elixir, volume 38)
I read somewhere that it’s estimated that reddit is 90% bots in the comments, and we already know 99% of front page context is from bots accounts.
The dead internet isn’t a theory on Reddit. It’s a reality there. Almost all traffic is
Exactly this. The bots are coming from inside the house.
If not already, I assume they’ll offer a for-fee API for bots.
I mean it’s also trivially easy for ai to make a photorealistic image of a human, i dont see how this could possibly ever work. Whatever test they apply would be by definition cheatable by AI.
That’s not the point of this.
The point of this is to remove unpaid/unauthorized bots. They want their engagement figures to look even better, and they don’t want people offering up their
advertisementspropaganda without paying up.Their goal will never be to eliminate bots because undoubtedly that is something they want to sell access to and use themselves.
By guaranteeing that certain posts are bona fide humans, their data is more valuable to sell for AI data as well… and they probably have a way to dox users with this too.
JUST IN: Reddit CEO says company is considering requiring all bots on the platform to click on ads in order to drive revenue to Reddit.
I think it more means “we want to sell your face data”
So when is this happening, so we can mentally and logistically prepare for the next influx of new users into the fediverse?
I think they’ll announce it. And we’ll have time to prepare for the influx of redditors.
It’s just funny coming from such a new account is all.
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Lemmyflation is real
What pisses me off about that statement is that it won’t even fix the bots. It’s public knowledge that most of the bots on the platform are intentional to maintain the image that the site is super popular still, which means those accounts would just get manually verified and skip the process.
Making a new Reddit account as a human in 2026 genuinely sucks too most subreddits just automod ban new accounts with low comment karma… but if every popular sub has said automod… yeah. And then 99% of the front page is astroturfed anyway
Because of the current situation, on Reddit I tend to delete my posts older than about a month and then delete my account at least once a year, and register a new one with a randomly generated username.
It’s not because I’m malicious or intend to spam. It’s because I want to participate and to contribute, but am fearful of being arrested for behavior that is in no way violent, threatening, or dangerous, but which may be politically targeted. I don’t want my posts to make me a target, and I don’t want my posts to be tied together.
I use VPNs and block browser fingerprinting.
Before this, I had three accounts that were more than a decade old(one for personal stuff, one for work, and one for NSFW stuff, to keep everything separate).
But there is NO way in hell that I will use Reddit for even one day if there is a face ID requirement.
I don’t even see a point in commenting on the current version of reddit anymore (and I haven’t for a couple of years). You’re either replying to bots or about to get into a useless argument with a bad faith actor. I’ll gladly comment on reddit alternatives because it’s a better experience for me and it’s more likely to get other people to make the switch.
FYI that just makes you stand out like a sore thumb. With the current state of user tracking, it’s better to blend in than to look like you’re hiding something.
Without blocking browser fingerprinting, they can identify your specific computer regardless of how many different accounts you use or how many different browsers you use.
Correct browser fingerprinting blocking does NOT block attempts to fingerprint. It just generates false information for their fingerprint detection tools.
So reddit admin targets me, no permaban because I abandon accounts after a second violation, or a first now, just in the first week, for something not even close to promoting violence that they held up on appeal.
Can I make an anonymous account? Like use a vpn, I already use a temporary email like guerilla mail to sign up. Or could I even use Tor to access? I actually kind of need it for networking on some of my work stuff.
Even my 10 year old account is banned from posting. And I have thousands in karma.
They’re doing some other non karma score now, which is probably ML fingerprinting or something.
I’m not saying you’re wrong and I know many people assume that, but is there a clear source for this?
So many redditors will become lemmurs
More seriously the biggest problem with lemmy adoption is that it has less content (even if the quality is better), I don’t think every niche has enough people who’ll bother to set up equivalent communities here and of course there’s a learning curve too, but with some organization they could make the switch
Why not start over and create that communities? This was the start of Lemmy, we just copied famous subreddits and do the same stuff over here. Trust me, I was there.
because i am le tired
There’s piefed and lemmy and kbin, any of those is good tbh.
AAA…HaHaHaHaHa!
“Come on. I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, HIT ME!”
ROFL. Man Spez is stupid.
wait wait wait reddit is against AI bots? news to me… …substack.com/…/ai-bots-appeared-after-reddit-par…
(Why exactly would anyone believe that face ID verification can stop AI bots? Have they seen how well generative AI can generate videos of humans?)
Wow, I knew the problem was bad, but… Jesus. How do we prevent something like this from happening on Lemmy/Piefed if they end up getting really popular? I guess the fact that post history isn’t private here helps
It’s probably going to be even harder to prevent here because due to federation it’s very easy to open multiple accounts across instances and no instance admin has full user data of accounts on other instances…
But it also provides the opportunity to move to instances (and their communities) where the problem is well-managed, if any exist.
It might be harder to manage with federation but, at the same time, it makes corruption more difficult. Reddit is a good example of this. They could manage this problem well but they don’t, because the corrupt overlords that manage it are a single point of failure for the entire network. That would never happen with lemmy/piefed because we could, like you said, just switch instances
We can only hope it keeps being “niche”. Right now I wouldn’t spend an hour or a buck to make guerrilla-bot-ads here. You need 1000views to generate 1 click. and 1000clicks to generate one sale. Roughly. That shit just wouldn’t fly here…YET.
True, but I think it would be a good thing if this place was less niche. The world would be a better place if Lemmy/Piefed surpassed Reddit in terms of total users. Open protocols > corporate overlords. That said the federation aspect of it might make it disjointed enough to maintain that niche feeling. Your particular instance could still be niche even if the wider fediverse is not
this is how i use lemmy (and the fediverse to a very large degree) and it gave me my reddit niches back to me.
Also true. But I would assume that any tech-billionaire that would be started to get threatened by lemmy would just kill it :-(
You cannot kill the will of the people. Relevant video
You know you can host your own instance, right? With total population n=1 (just you)? Federating with a micro instance might be difficult but from what ive read, it should be possible - you just need an old laptop to act as your always on server and some know-how.
Yeah but ideally you’d want to federate with the wider fediverse, where there may be bots. Because a social network with population one sounds no fun
That’s kind of the point.
You can selectively federate with instances you trust, rather than opening the floodgates to the entire fediverse all at once. Start small, allowlist specific instances, and expand from there.
You get the social connectivity without immediately inheriting everyone else’s bot problem.
Right I see. That is an advantage
Yes, I believe so. Time will tell, but the architecture is baked in.
“Nice” read, thanks for sharing. I miss the interwebz from when it all started. I was there, Gandalf, 3000 years ago!
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Hopefully we’ll get some more MAU out of this.
I’m not really sure, if “more users” is actually what would be beneficial. More users = more attractive = rising viability of ad-bots. But sure, some more can’t hurt :-)
I don’t care, because reddit, but this makes me wonder if you can just have an AI generate a generic face and feed that in.
It’s obviously not about bots. Isn’t spez friendly with Peter Thiel?
Interesting idea… Is it possible to switch the verification to a bot via a bot. Damn it, when that happens I’ll try it out
Absolutely, i mean it’s gonna be a computer testing the image for “humanity” so of course a computer could cheat the test.
You can and it’s been done already.
Shitbook wanted photo for a new messanger.com account, so I gave them a nice AI generated one.
I’d rather not use messenger, but I have relatives that do, so am stuck.
What I find amusing is; people that say “hey, let me send you a message on _____” (insert WhatsApp, Insta, FB, Telegram etc) and are aghast when I say “sorry, don’t have that. I can do phone or Signal?”.
Okay, I think this is just ragebait. The real quote is:
Which isn’t even closely the same as requiring manual ID verification. This is about requiring PassKeys with a special biometric confirmation requirement.
My laptop’s TPM requires a pint of blood to allow booting to an OS. Two pints if it’s Linux.
Lucky. Mine requires a pound of flesh.
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ur bootloader
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Why are we using polymarket as a source?!
This is just a post from Polymarket. The information was taken from another source, they just posted it.
*** Except Reddit and partner owned bots, which will then have no competition for your attention.
Reddit is a pay to play psyop network, nothing more, nothing less.
So the entire point of reddit, the anonymity, is to be thrown out the fucking window lmao
Today everyone throws their principles out the window. Such is the present(
spez is a frigging billionaire. What other principle than making money could possibly have guided him to this point?
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Nah, other users won’t know who you are.
But Reddit can sell your information and send police to your house if you joke about Israel.
Well, at least until the database inevitably leaks
pcmag.com/…/reddit-could-soon-require-face-id-to-…
Sure, “we don’t want to know your name, we just have to know it or have to have another party that we have access to/a deal with know it”
Considering how “ban evaders,” even when changing devices, moving to different countries and setting up new accounts, are getting miraculously detected and swiftly banned again, I doubt anybody has even a shred of privacy on Reddit.
If they said that about Lemmy i would tell them to fuck off but since it’s Reddit who cares most of their user base these days are bots anyway, but jfc are they adamant about age verification, they really want to know where are unsupervised children for their new Epstein Island.
Lemmy will eventually be targeted by the various Age Verification and Social Media laws popping up all over the globe. More of them are being proposed and passed every week and the confusion and risk just grow higher.
As an example my home instance, lemmy.today, is run out of Washington State and they have proposed legislation that could impact us. HB2112 and HB1834 are just two examples.
Even if none of them pass in WA, and one of them surely will, it won’t too be much longer before the NSFW instances in the lemmiverse start getting targeted by the wide range of States who already have such laws. Instance operators do not have the money to challenge these laws in court so their options will be: comply, shut down, or get fined into oblivion / risk jail time.
I’m not happy about it but in IMO Lemmy is living on borrowed time.
They can just host in other countries
Well, sure, but it isn’t JUST an American thing, even today. Like Buelldozer said, it’s starting all over the globe. Some further than others ofc.
Some are starting to ban VPNs to prevent people from bypassing the ID laws. Not sure where it stands rn but some UK MEPs or w/e they’re called in the UK were pushing for that.
That’s true and it js a scary thing long term
Lemme get this straight
Genius play by Spez. (/s)
Killing off bots and people making new accounts after getting banned would leave basically go one left on Reddit.
It’s amazing seeing the horrible decisions made in the name of quarterly profits
Why long term progress year over year when you can gamble the future on a quarterly line go up.
People who make bots will adapt to this more easily than human users will, obviously.
You can’t give me gravy and tell me it’s Jelly because gravy ain’t sweet.
Inb4 bots pass this and my face is rejected
Since when is Polymarket’s Twitter account a reliable source of information?
I can’t comment on that specifically, but it was reported by pcmag and others
Yeah, WTF is this?
People keep reposting Tweets from this stupid gambling site ugh
I’m glad they violated my account for a non violation and denied my appeal in the first week of opening a new account then. They aren’t trying to make their moderation believable, I’m persona non grata for whatever reasons, to appease the administration I presume.
Fuck them, glad I stayed off. I kind of need the help on some stuff though, there just aren’t enough people or communities on here yet.
i bet my account is still active somehow; i intentionally violated every rule to get banned during the protest and only 3 or 4 communities banned me; and even then they were just shadow bans.
I was saying a lot of questionable luigi mangione related things after that happened, I couched it all, never came right out saying anything, but that might have caught up with me. That was several accounts ago but they can tell it’s you still I hear tell even though I use temporary email to sign up.
Yeah, it’s become crystal clear that they just multiple data warehouses and server side tracking to identify people.
it’s too late for me to leave reddit. 😔
Me too. I left a couple of years ago 😔️
I suppose I could rejoin, and leave again?
Assert dominance.
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That…that doesn’t actually do that.
Requiring face ID AFTER genAI has become great at generating faces is certainly a decision
No one ever accused reddit of making good decisions.
I’d be bold enough to say this decision is absolutely on par with their other brain dead decisions.
They’re maximizing ad revenue, that is the rationale.
Next step will be to require Video with bop-it style live instructions, stick out your tongue, blink one eye, pick your nose, make finger guns, smile, frown. They won’t care that it’s not disability friendly.
Facebook tried to make me take a video of myself moving my head around making different facial expressions to prove I was a person. I was like… not even my bank requires that. This was after making a comment that was Trump-negging. So I cancelled it.
Discord has a similar system in place, people were defeating it with the Photo mode in Death Standing lmao
Well no. Then it’s only a matter of time before pranksters use your digital face for nefarious purposes.
Or more likely, fascist governments use it to get rid of the undesireables who dare go against their plan. Thats why authoritarian right wingers love AI.
Because AI cannot possibly generate faces.
now it only needs to generate legal documents
welcome, reddit refugees.
Thank you. This is why I’m here.
Good, next step is installing Artix :3
Funny way to spell Arch
/s
I don’t use Arch, btw
I just moved to CachyOS when I learned about Artix. The distro hopping never truly ends, does it? LOL.
It ends with LFS >:3
Do they have a T2 distribution for Macs?
I was making a rather annoying joke. LFS might work on with Asahi’s bootloading, but then you are dealing with Linux From Scratch which could only ever make sense to any degree with Nix
Ditto!
Well that and they permabanned my 14 year old, 1million karma account for making a post that insinuated Donald is a pedophile that some MAGA got all upset about and they rejected my appeal.
So…fuck em.
I stand with your 14 year old. Same thing happened to me (well, very similar, my message was more in that clot has just one job category).
Mine was for suggesting Biden drone strike SCOTUS justices immediately after they ruled that the president is effectively above the law. I wasn’t advocating for Biden to do anything illegal! 🤣
Well that depends. Were you suggesting that he do that officially or unofficially?
Welcome aboard!
I had a similar account that got banned for connecting to the wrong VPN endpoint. Clicked a random server from my VPN provider, suddenly my account was permanently banned with no ability to appeal
Thinking it was just some issue on my end (it was a non-standard looking ban), I logged into another OG account of mine, which also promptly got perma-banned
Extreme incompetence for them to be issuing perma-bans like that based on IP address
Steve, ain’t we glad to have ya! Welcome :)
– again. lol
Thanks for the welcome
Dead internet theory becoming more true by the day. I mean, it was already true, now it’s just more true.
not even trying to hide it anymore
I hope they do it, so that they (Reddit) crash and burn.
I also hope they don’t do it, so that we don’t turn Lemmy into Reddit 2.0 due to max influx.
Realistically? If they do end up doing it, I wouldn’t be surprised if no one over there bats an eyelid.
Point of order: Facebook already tried this
m.facebook.com/help/159096464162185/
Remember: enshittification can only exists until the moment it induces enough friction. Then people push back. Cf online streaming in 2013 vs 2026.
We’re not quite there yet. TBTB are doing a stellar job of increasing the water temp almost imperceptibly.
spez has a very punchable face. After that API fiasco that forced many devs out of business, i didnt think i can hate him more till now
The only reason why Reddit is anywhere close to where it is right now and not considered the sweaty place it was and right after 4Chan in dissociability is Reddit’s data sharing with Google and the reception of better search rankings.
Dicey source
Wtf lol. I won’t log in.
I was banned a few years ago now, glad I was.
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politics is at lemmy’s core, it was literally created by communists & socialists to serve as an online community for leftists; not rightists like liberals or conservatives.
Plus…there is a LOT to talk about these days, and most sane takes have been effectively banned from all large platforms lmao, with people helping all this along by voluntarily censoring the DUMBEST FUCKING WORDS in their memes, even, just to further their own reach within those shit holes.
So. Yeah, Lemmy be political.
You said fucking. Bring me my fainting couch. Fuck I don’t have one.
Buckle up, it’s about to get a lot worse when you won’t even be allowed to use social media until you submit to a face scan like op was trying to share.
And every person too busy or just aloof to bother learning about any of this stuff will just glibly hand it all over, lovely stuff headed our way.
Yes and I got it earlier; it’s just hard to resist responding based on stereotypes. Lol
Same, just commiserating over here.
i got sick of commiserating so i cut off centralized media from my life and my internet experience got reset back to 1995; it’s kind of rediscovering what the internet is like all over again.
Now this is my kinda head in the sand lmao
But nah really, between my own frustrations with similar and realizing that a somewhat curated media experience for my kids is now of critical importance, I’m not far off! So far so good, I have a long way to go though. But I’ve been away from all the corporate trash for a while, cheers to that.
I agree for the most part. But everything isn’t just a different political view.
You’re literally posting this in an instance where lots of people actively deny the extent of Stalins crimes. Justifying it as “some countries miss the soviet, so he can’t have been that bad” as if the Soviet ended with Stalin and didn’t continue on for decades after.
I don’t know about you. But that is as far away from an echo chamber I think you can get.
Brother what are you even talking about? This is .world. The most neoliberal instance on Lemmy.
Yeah…that’s it…bots…you don’t want to associate all the post history and behavioral data with a real live person and connect whatever data you can find on the open data market with the same real person, collating everything the internet knows about a person into a single profile, destroying anonymity completely, ushering in a new age of Internet censorship and repression and aiding the identification of target groups for political and commercial exploitation? Nah…you wouldn’t want to do that, would you?
I wonder how much that would reduce their traffic. Would there be anything but niche groups left?
I dont doubt it, but is there a proper source to share?
Bots will have verification down to the science, done and verified as humans certified… way before actual humans even manage to turn on their cameras.
Not the best choice of word.
get ready for an influx of users to Lemmy I guess.
What are we supposed to get them for a welcoming gift? Was it beans or something?
Nah, we give them well thought out insults for not joining us sooner.
That’s part of why I made my account here. Might as well start getting familiar with the alternative. That and the mods on Reddit are out of control handing out bans for jokes about violence. Like the other day, I joked we should shoot robot dogs and got handed a site wide 3 day ban.
well clearly that’s because we should disable them and dismantle them for parts.
get with it, raider. arc don’t play.
It took a lot of customer abuse to break Reddit’s stranglehold, but they are perilously close to a Digg like migration off their platform. Spez can take a hike into bankruptcy.
Just already made his billions, what does he care
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Because Lemmings can be insufferable sometimes.
As opposed to Reddit users?
Yes. There’s much more grand standing.
Well yea but it’s because we’re right 👍
So were Redditors 15-20 years ago, though. This place is exactly like the old Reddit ecosystem. Heavily focused on programming, Linux, and Star Trek. The smaller subs for politics, culture, news, etc take longer to build up.
Right… 15 years ago…
I think the downvotes are proving you right 😉
Yeah, we are pretty great 😎
Not gonna lie, I like it this way.
Have you considered changing instances?
I just block people. That’s much more effective.
Well you are on one of the worst instances.
Is there a reason to expect bots won’t overwhelm Lemmy as well?
Most likely, they will. They are not elikely to infect larger instances. Smaller instances will spot them and ban them, I hope.
Why do you expect they will be unlikely to infect larger instances?
They will still infect them but they will be more obvious.
An unusual comment, you don’t know it’s a bot.
Hundreds of unusual comments and doesn’t engage with the local community. It’s a bot.
It’s partly why online discourse is toxic. There is a disconnect with th real world and online and no social stigma. On a small community instances there is.
The problem though, will be trying to manage which isntances need to be blocked as they are rampant with bota. If the fediverse grows and there are lots of smaller communities,.it will be harder to keep track. Currently it’s small and most instances with active users are familiar.
Not nearly as much financial incentive for the admins to look the other way
I (mildly) am concerned about that also…but bear in mind…the difference between Lemmy and Reddit is you can…defederate…from known bad instances. If Lemmy goes in that direction - and we undertake the idea I mentioned here - lemmy.world/post/44633911/22828600
then we can basically recreate a blacklist / whitelist (ala AdBlock). Instance-wide crawlers can still scrape public data, but that’s an ActivityPub protocol constraint, not a Lemmy failure.
Instance crawling with bots? Sorry, no soup for you.
Spam bots on bad instances? Blocked from your feed.
Peak “fine, I’ll do it myself” energy? Yes. But if you’re reading this, you’re 1) part of the resistance (lol) and (2) already here, so …
This is the real question here. Especially with advanced AI, it might be difficult to spot bot accounts.
I actually believe AI will provide a far greater advantage to bots than moderators.
You have to pick a server.
I promise you, that’s why
You’re probably right and this is the first time I’ve felt kind of glad for the “speed bump” that picking a server on the fediverse has become. We’ll get another influx before too long; maybe a “you need to be this clever to ride the ride” checkpoint isn’t such a bad thing.
That’s what I thought when I initially signed up but I’m realizing we lack diversity baaaaaaad. I’d wager 90%+ of users are tech people and we are infamously antisocial, which is rough for a “social media”
Oh no, how am I going to pick a server?! That’s even harder than choosing a shirt to put on!
It’s weird, but that shit intimidates non technical people, and there are a lot of them. It would need better if it says something like ‘Click on the flag of the country closest to where you live’ or something like that.
Linux seems to have managed to do this - I recently did I mint install on my laptop, it was all GUI, no arcane jargon, no need to use the console, really well optimised for the non-technical folk. You’d be surprised how many people see ‘server’ and think ‘I don’t have one of those, and I don’t think I want one’.
join-lemmy.org now shows you a suggested instance where you can signup immediately. No need to choose an instance.
Selecting a server wasn’t an issue for me. The RIF app told me to go to .world and I quickly decided it was the right instance for me to start.
I moreso had to adjust to the slower pace and less engagement on Lemmy compared to reddit, the lack of niche communities, my favorite subs not having a perfect equivalent here.
I was super pissed off with reddit and am still salty, so my anger committed me to making the commitment to Lemmy. I was addicted to reddit and they took away the app I was using for over 10 years. I wasn’t ready for the breakup and was scorned. I was highly motivated to make Lemmy work for me.
Users need that level of anger and outrage to motivate them.
/r/rats and tv show discussions for me
This is basically all I use for now. Lemmy doesn’t have the infrastructure for every TV episode and movie I watch.
yeah. and even in the generic tv show communities there are maybe a couple people discussing a new episode, if at all.
Compared to thousands for a popular show.
heck, even star trek is barely active compared to reddit. and they did an official migration in the beginning
It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling.
Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular. And maybe a centralized place to find different instances?
Like i haven’t found any active fitness related ones.
It’s like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel.
Centralisation of power is in the first place why we moved away from Reddit. Fuck that.
You can find your own fitness sidelemmy. There are actually a few I found.
Completely fair, just the difference and lack of constant flow of content is going to put off many people and without a significant enough drive there’s no point to get used to the new environment.
Mind pointing me in a the right direction?
Maybe they realized that most of Reddit is like Moltbook
You know if you have a printed piece of paper, a magazine. Or even a TV with a face on it, that a camera can’t tell if it’s a real human or not.
I actually made my account here recently because of that post. I’d be surprised if I’m the only one. We may not get everyone on reddit, but a sizable chunk leaving and review bombing them in the app store could gain their attention.
Fuck reddit. I’ve been hanging on for too long until they banned me 3 times in 72 hours. I guess they don’t like criticism of the current regime. Fuck reddit.
This is what “faces of atheism” came to end
I see the rationale, dead internet theory and all. The problem is that if this happened, I 100% believe Reddit would form a partnership with the US government or oil companies to put bots on their platform and spread misinformation.
Or? I think you mean and. Then throw several more ands in there, including AI platforms, surveillance tech, right wing PACs, and overall enshitification and misinformation.
They’re already doing that: gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-ga…
Not specifically putting bots on Reddit though, based on the headline of that article.
Unless it’s THEIR AI bots, right?
IIRC they IP banned people for publishing their bots in a filter list.
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Well, Lemmy is not hidden, it’s out there for reddit users who search for alternatives… It has challenges to solve and llm agents might be one of them.
They want to turn Reddit into a rightwing echo chamber. Lately there are so many comments on lemmy about people getting perma banned, including myself, for breaking rule 1. However in most cases, like myself, only made a comment without any harm or even a reference to violence. I only commented that ICE can forget about their payments and bonuses and that in 3 years time, they’ll be sucking immigrant cock behind a Wendy’s. That got me a perma ban after 15 years on Reddit. All these tech bros are bending the knee and getting taken from behind. Such short term thinking will become their downfall. If this happens, it’ll be a good thing for Lemmy.
A year or so ago I also got a permaban on my old reddit account. I never did find out the reason for it, as to my memory none was stated. But I immediately stopped using reddit and after a while started using lemmy when I realized there were better alternatives. Just now I tried to log in to my reddit account to check whether I missed the permaban reason, but now my account is simply “locked” and I need to change my password. The notification message is not the same as it was back then.
Yeah they have really gone over the top with enforcing R1. Upvoting is already enough to get banned as it falls under sharing and it doesn’t have to actually mention any harm to the individual, just reference R1.
I mean, I got a 3 day ban (R1) for joking that we should shoot robot dogs guarding AI datacenters. It’s literally not one of the categories that is even supposed to apply - it’s neither a person, nor a place, nor some kind of animal. And that was my second account after my first got banned for similar sorts of jokes (yes, some were people, all were obviously jokes). Yeah, they’re going crazy overboard with enforcement on that. Subreddits need to start moving over now.
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This is what made me finally bite the bullet and switch to lemmy.
well done. sign up for a piefed instance too.
first ive heard of it! How does it compare, you use both i take it?
i do. tbh i don’t notice a difference really, but i like having more than one account after my first home instance shuttered. i opted for piefed on the ios app blorp.
the blorp dev roams these halls and seems pretty friendly and dedicated to making it better all the time.
Blorp dev here. Can confirm I am dedicated to making Blorp the best client for Lemmy and PieFed. I’m biased, but I’m pretty confident the multi account support I built is unmatched by any other client. Let me know if you need anything!
Downloading now!
Great to have you! The web version is also worth a try if that interests you. My goal is one unified web and mobile PieFed and lemmy experience.
blorpblorp.xyz
I like it! Not sure if it will replace boost just yet. Any plans for themes?
Could you try this little experiment I setup on web? It has a theme dropdown in settings. This is a very janky proof of concept for themes, which will likely change a lot before it gets released. But just to give you an idea.
…blorp-6rm.pages.dev/home
Looks pretty good! I do love me some Dracula. Catppuccin would be sick too
Could you make a wishlist of themes? If there are any others besides the two you mentioned
Honestly those are the only two I use regularly. Ideally all of the flavors of Catppuccin (I use machiato and mocha mostly)
Could you try the Dracula theme I added in v1.12.2 and see what you think? If you’re not a fan I can look into expanding the theme options, but ideally the next theme will be noticeably different from the 2 existing options.
Ive been using it! Liking it. No complaints.
Is there anyway to favorite communities for easier access in the sidebar?
I think that’s a good idea. I created this issue if you wanna track this work github.com/Blorp-Labs/blorp/issues/409
Awesome!
It has some features and some anti-features. Lemmy is better IMO as it doesn’t have a weird social credit score system like PieFed does.
Also just noticed your username. Brothers in poop unite.
More lowkey polymarket advertisements.
Why is it the only place I see polymarket is on Lemmy screenshots?
I’m so used to ignoring who tweets are from that I didn’t notice till you mentioned it and scrolled back up, lol
As someone with a problematic relationship with alcohol, from a family of the same, i get addiction, but I don’t get gambling. The way it’s become normalized by society is so weird to me.
Goodbye 99% of reddit users.
You’ll be surprised at how okay people are with mass surveillance if it encroaches on their addiction
Yea I prefer to get my Reddit news from a gambling site that facilitates bets on human lives.
This is rich.😐
Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn’t ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on.
Or that the website which accidentally admitted “the most reddit addicted city” is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams… Where was I going with this? Hmm must be nothing.
Okay, but wouldn’t it be kind of funny if every AI face generator suddenly started producing faces that look like Redditors?
Why does every generated face have a neckbeard and fedora?
I mean they already put Epstein and Kirk in there…
Social platforms are just data sources anyway. This is just another way of enriching the data.
I love the conspiracy theory that it’s Elgin Air Force Base, aka Area 51 version 2 .
Does it still count as a conspiracy theory if it’s objectively true? Hahaha (oh god)
Reddit CEO: “What? We can’t sell user data on our increasingly punitive and terrible site because the bots keep fucking up the models trained on that data? Hold my beer…”
Fuck /u/spez
Im not doing it! What are they gonna do? Ban me? (Im banned from Reddit for posting Luigi gifs … and guillotines)
I don’t think that getting rid of bot accounts would be a good choice. It feels like half of all reddit activity is from bot reposters and comments.
Then once they can ID them, instead of banning bots, they’ll find a way to charge a premium for running a bot account.
Where is the link so I can read about it
It is only unlikely if no one knows about lemmy. I found it yesterday and will keep shilling it on reddit until they ban me over there. From then on I will stay here.
Edit: typos
yikes
Astroturfing is only allowed from premium accounts.
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I’m talking about the general idea of a “proof of humanity” online, not specifically using this solution).
The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they figured out how to VPN through the Netherlands. There are whole communities where bots discuss bot-posted content. And I have no doubt in my mind that it will also happen on Lemmy as soon as there’s even a hint of profit* to be found.
* “profit” not as in “monetary gain”, but as “any kind of gain, be it money, influence, propaganda, chaos”, etc., etc.
Why not use the bots to build bot detectors or categorize places online that are heavily botted, look for patterns and collect data for others to research.
It’s a LOT easier to make bots fake being human than it is to detect bots faking being human.
So a computer can’t ever truly generate a random number but it can generate total random dialogue.
I think we just didn’t make an effort to catalog and look hard enough to identify these patterns.
I feel like if we started to truly look at the most obvious place we could see a lot of things that can be used to identify.
Think of it this way: there are billions of types of online interactions where detection is either impossible (an image or link post) or extremely difficult (general conversation where sometimes even humans don’t sound like humans due to slang/education/etc).
Not only that, you’d end up with a “tug of war” where the existence of such detectors would power the improvement of the bots, which would require the improvement of the detector (which is always more difficult).
And the other option is an anonymous token that defines you as a human user. Which is simpler and cheaper to implement?
I think you’re wrong. Completely wrong. There are billions of messages but any intelligent person knows you don’t go through each one by one.
Do you ever see those guys who can look at a picture of a tree in a field and identify where it is in the world. There’s billions of trees. How do they do that with precision?
Classification.
They can train their bots on whatever they want. The human is smarter. If they tune them, you use the methods and knowledge learned and adapt. Like generating random numbers, there’s limits almost always. You don’t find them by inaction.
4chan a website full of racist, neo nazi and pedophiles were just goofing around and they do insane OSNIT research. Lemmy is fucking around with beans and moths. I don’t know. I’m just saddened by the state of things and how much better everybody else is at things I always thought the left was good at. It’s just been eye opening to see.
“the left” is not a monolith. A lot of people have various relationships with"the left". I don’t identify with “the left” much because I disagree, strongly, with being put in a groupthink box. I happen to have some beliefs that the groupthink box on the left has vhemently and painfully attacked me for. But I also REALL REALLY REALLY think the right is wildly wrong, because they’re being simplistic, stupid, and very very corrupt. And I STRONGLY object to corruption. I happen to genuinely and unironically love my country and the promise of a fair chance for all. I love clean water. Clean air. A healthy wilderness ecosystem you can spend time in. Hard work that does good for the world. I love the freedom to research, honestly, and speak freely and without fear.
I don’t see the right sharing some key parts of those values these days. But I’m concerned the left has become too inactive, too sullen, too much a party of victims who lash out reactively.
Don’t have a solution yet except to vote.
So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.
You say it like “tuning them” is a magic trick, where they wave their hands a couple of times, and now the detection algorithms are smarter than the bots writing the comments. SOMEONE has to go in, and figure out the maths to make the detection algorithms smarter and better at detecting. That takes time and resources.
You’re also forgetting that “tuning them” works both ways. The people writing the shit-post bots also work on improving their tools, to make them indistinguishable from human posts.
Also: how can you tall that “lol, kys noob” is written by a human, or by a bot? The vast majority of comments online are these short shit-comments.
I don’t know where this is coming from. Nobody is being hired. If anything I’m becoming more anti-mod lately. I feel like put boxes on things that suck oxygen out of the room rapidly. But that’s a different discussion.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong but to clarify I am not saying we need to build our own bot detection but I would be a nice have eventually. I am saying we should be crowd sourcing our collective anger and ADHD or Autism or whatever drives us to post bean moth lemmy slop and instead focus on collection of the worst bot infestations. There are patterns. Bots are not random enough that they can’t be identified with large crowd sourced efforts. They’re also in their infancy which means it will only get harder going forward.
You or I aren’t able to avaliable accurately tell right now. Have you ever seen the Sinclair news video? The one where every news station repeats the same dialogue. Can you or I flip on the news any day of the week and call that out, unlikely. But we can logical understand it is something that happens. It becomes obvious there is a script only when you collect the data and begin to analyze it. That is what I’m saying we need to figure out and gamify.
Name generation, text, patterns. At the start it won’t be accurate. But as more data is collected it’ll become obvious. If the bots were that good, these websites would have left their APIs open. But they closed them so we can’t collect this data. I’m the type of person when powerful people do something like that, I want to know why and work around that. It’s not a coincidence that they locked their sites up when people were given tools where anyone could collect data and feed it into AI for analysis.
Our inaction to do anything when the greatest opportunities are right in front of us but slipping away is a tragedy of this generation.
That’s what “being a moderator” is, mate. You want hundreds of thousands of moderators.
You’re wrong.
You just said:
So, which is it?
There’s a massive difference between local news stations receiving a script to read out, and a bot farm having a “be negative, unfriendly, sow chaos” instruction.
So, it just won’t work? Got it.
I don’t think you undersand what you’re talking about. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to be contrarian here, I just honestly think that your idea of “AI bots” is kind of like “we have prepared one million sentences, and now our bots will be picking between them to generate whole posts on social networks”.
I mean, sure, there can be patterns - like the whole “LinkedIn post” style, where most of the time it’s fairly obvious that you’re reading an AI-generated slop… But that’s not what state-entities or even just hackers use. They have access to much more sophisticated content.
Reddit’s API is no longer open. Didn’t do a thing to stop bots.
You don’t need however many API keys to collect that kind of data. At least not from Reddit.
Your proposed action is the equivalent of Sisyphus and his stone. Because you really seem to be forgetting that the AI tech is getting better all the time. And that any AI-detection actions you take feed that process. “Oh, they’ve detected these posts? OK, let’s tweak the algo until we get through and then flood them with our content”.
Let’s even assume that you somehow pull it off and get a 100% detection rate as of right now. Six months down the line that will go down to 20%. Etc. etc. And you’ll be catching thousands of legitimate users in the crossfire.
An anonymous “proof of humanity” token solves all AI issues without anyone having to spend billions on research and manpower.
It’s just building and gamify strategically. There’s no magic here. It works. Bots can adapt all they want. They’re still constraint and limited by technology and money.
What is magic is humans ability to use inference and deduction to see things that are not right in front of us. It’s hard to see this online especially the way some conversations go… but regardless of that, people could easily detect patterns that are used in the wild. We just need data. Lemmy communities are perfectly set up for this for now.
How much of what I wrote so far was done via an LLM?
That’s not the point. There is no issue with random people using LLM to craft their messages. The issue is using a network of bots to promote the latest marvel movie. Draw attention to the latest political blunder. Or just groups trying to push people further to the edges politically until nothing works.
Look at this fucking guy. Likely not a bot. But is an example of someone who is posting pattern is suspicious. It needs to be studied. That’s something we can’t do. But we can collect and analyze in a way that i think people can get into. I think using the internet and sites like lemmy for this is way more effective any most stuff people are trying to do. This he what the internet was made for and the only people not using it for this seems to be leftist groups.
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You have just defined why your method doesn’t work.
You either detect AI by their language or you don’t.
But, I think, I know what you mean. Your idea is like Bat-sonar, the super-totally-not-magical computer he built in the second or third Nolan film that allowed him to spy on everybody and thus detect crimes faster.
You want a system that would monitor ALL content online and detect “patterns”. Like, “huh, weirdly, we have XXX number of people writing positively about the new JJ Abrams film”, or “check it out, in the past hour we’ve had 43243 comments negative about MAGA”.
Right?
If so: mate… You require literal magic to pull it off. WAY too many false positives or just impossible to trace dependencies. You would have to not only monitor for these patterns, but also associate them with any real-world events (ALL events), because maybe a Polish nationalist politician said something about the financing methods of their military, which got popular on russian Twitter, got a funny anti-MAGA retweet by a Ukrainian, ended up as a reaction video on British TikTok, and got posted to Reddit where it got upvoted to r/All and received 43243 100% legitimate comments complaining about MAGA.
Funnily enough, if anything, MAYBE a complex enough AI system would be capable of finding these patterns, but there’s absolutely no physical possibility of humans doing that.
Hey,
What do you think crowd sourcing means. Like what is your definition in relation to building whatever it is you’re describing. How did you get there?
It means a bunch of people doing working in very narrow fields that need to be connected by someone with an overarching view, but there are so many so small fields, that it’s impossible for a human to handle. In this particular case.
Unless you figured out telepathy. Then I retract my statements - a large enough network of directly connected telepaths could do this.
No it doesn’t. That’s not it. And this is how i know you’re just a terminally online individual arguing out of instinct rather than common sense. Il not be commenting further.
But to my point. Crowd sourcing these things works. It’s a missed opportunity in these early days to be passive and more concerned with bean posts.
You just replied with a “nuh-uh!” and call me “terminally online”? That’s a good one.
You seem know a bunch of buzz-words that you don’t fully understand, like “crowd sourcing” in this instance. It’s like a magic wand, “just crowd source it, and it’ll just work”, without realising that - again, unless telepathy is involved - a crowd is still just a bunch of individuals. Without instantaneous real time communication no single individual can spot such a massive pattern as those you are after. Without spotting the “big picture”, the whole thing is pointless.
You can’t just magically call everything magical in an attempt to discredit and expect anyone thing you’re anybody but dishonest. I’m not spending the evening attempting to keep you on track when you can’t be bothered to read and instead you’re just looking for bullshit arguments and at worst attempting to discredit for whatever personal reason you have.
Again: you’re throwing buzz-words around as if they’re explanation enough. I’m calling your thinking magical because it is.
Prove me wrong by explaining how do you envision coordinating “crowd sourced pattern spotting” (something that has never been done in the history of mankind, because it “crowd” and “pattern spotting” are almost direct opposites).
There are no “personal reasons” for me saying what I’m saying, nor are my comments “attempts at discrediting”. There’s literally nothing to discredit here, mate.
www.gudea.ai
Your proof of your “crowd source this away” idea is a link to a company that very explicitly uses AI to detect trends…? Are you for real right now?
It’s evidence that it works. That the missing piece is the crowd source. You said it’s impossible and magical. That is wrong. A problem is the datasets are from before the APIs were locked down. It’s hard to get new data. New methods are needed.
Dataset is too technical for what I’m saying. But it’s still important here. Communities should be built to combat bots, not ignore the problem. There are ways to identify activity and observe and even interfere to the point that it either costs them too much to keep up or makes them ineffective. But there needs to be the community to build that awareness. Instead it seems like the people that are disadvantaged by these networks and bots also have this mentality to ignore and avoid it all.
The company you linked is 11-13 people. That’s not crowd sourcing, it’s just AI doing the work.
So, which is it? Crowd sourcing, or AI fighting AI?
Yeah, the way you were voicing it originally (crowd sourcing through communities) requires magic. If you’re suddenly OK bringing in AI of your own, sure, but then you don’t need crowd sourcing - as in the example you yourself posted, a dozen people can do this.
You don’t need APIs to do this work. You can easily write clients that just read comments as they appear through regular browser clients. The API lock-down was about preventing people from interacting and posting with the content outside of the official app. You can read content just fine (as far as I’m aware, correct me if I’m wrong).
Communities can’t do much about it. Sure, they’ll ban a bot of five, but your own example showed where the problem lies - you yourself can’t tell if a certain user is a bot, or just a propagandist (or passionate about a topic??). Just recently there was a poster on r/cats (or some such) who was banned by mods for being a bot posting AI slop. They had to register a new account, and re-post their photos with a piece of paper with the date and the cat next to each other, the cat just looked weird. But the community mass-reported the post, and the mods didn’t notice that it was all legit.
Community work would not work here, it’s been proven a billion times already (see: Brexit, 2016 US elections, Romanian elections, Slovenian elections, etc., etc., where network and social media content analysis showed after the fact that there were hundreds of thousands of bot accounts posting russian propaganda).
Much like OP, I agree.
Because they don’t actually want to do that. Having open platforms means actual conversation happens and that’s poison to authoritarians.
Every so often r/conservative traffic dies down and the subreddit turns much more centrist. It’s never liberal by any stretch but you’ll actually see lots of criticism poke through. Same thing happens with r/politics occasionally. Reddit is just astroturfed so heavily that there isn’t a point to it anymore. You have worse than a coinflips odds on replying to an actual human.
Worldcoin requires you to use their Orb device to sign up, and you can buy a verified account for $20.
There are alternatives we could use.
A bunch of European countries already have “e-IDs” that can share very limited data with a service provider. For instance, Sweden has “Bank ID” (ID generated by you bank), which you can use to, for example, sign in to your housing association’s website. This gives them your name and registered address, immediately giving you the site for your particular community.
You could use a system like that to send only the “this is a human” token. Potentially also “this is an adult”, without giving away any of your personal details, including your date of birth.
Reddit should crack down on human users instead! Let Reddit be AI Bot Exclusive space!
Reddit is no longer for humans. So yes, the situation is pretty dire.
and yet tech bros scrape it for model training and content research. i used to like AskPhilosophy and the likes back when it wasn’t wackjob agora for clinically insane (a decade ago in not more?) but seeing that shit getting mined is baffling because it is basically a deliberate data contamination.
Once R brcomes unusable without this, I’m leaving it completely. I just hope many will do the same.
Reddit has had a big problem for a long time, and it has probably only gotten worse. I wouldn’t know, because I, an actual human with an opinion, was permabanned in the post-Inauguration bloodbath.
So let the bots run wild, and finish destroying Reddit.
how many of us noped the fuck outa there when they tried to force their garbage app on us…? this will only hasten it’s demise.
RedReader still works (for now) - and it’s magnificent.
f-droid.org/…/org.quantumbadger.redreader/
The real problem was third party clients I swear
I’m a new lemmy user because of this
Welcome! It’s WAY quieter over here because it’s mostly people, not bots.
This
I’ve been on reddit for 15 years (on and off again, deleting my accounts and then re-signing up later).
I’m looking forward to a fresh start here.
Welcome! It definitely is quieter in ways here, but I find that actually engaging in conversation is better. There’s more real people here.
But this place also has the downfalls that early Reddit and 4chan had. Still better than current Reddit by miles!
I don’t feel like I’m constantly sorting through low quality bot shit to find a human with authentic human expertise.
I do miss the long chains of wordplay, the sense of humor and fun. But Reddit gave that up for ragebait ages ago.
Welcome aboard! Lots of new people, nice for the fediverse. I should probs donate to the project too, that helps…
Welcome to the free side of the internet
Welcome! Hope you find and enjoy your space here
Samsies
I would tell folks on Reddit to come to the fediverse but I deleted all my reddit accounts.
There will be someone who will do it. Don’t worry.
Yeah it’s me.
If the massive waves of permabans they have been doing for anti-trumpers weren’t enough, this should kill the website entirely.
Something something China owns Reddit, something something Trump pissed of China, something something oblique humor here.
Am I doing it right?
[This is a meta-commentary on why I left reddit, thank you for participating]
Simultaneously China owns Reddit so they control everything there for the see see pee, but somehow they don’t censor that criticism
What? Reddit is left-leaning, why would they ban Anti-Trumpers
funny cause nazis and pedophiles on reddit don’t get banned.
Reddit is owned by right wing extremists. Any mention of something negative towards their king, perma-banned for “inciting violence”
So glad I ditched reddit.
Yep, same!
So glad I was banned from Reddit.
They made it easier for bots to thrive by allowing hidden post histories, limiting the API, and punishing users for “bad” reports, but claim they need face ID to filter out bots?
They need to filter out unauthorised bots. There’ll still be a fuckton but they’ll be spreading the right propaganda.
Ah yes, because bots absolutely haven’t managed to fake/generate faces now have they…
Makehuman for generating models, unity preview renderer running as an MCP tool, language model reads page instructions for pose info, low frequency noise on pose bones to add micro movements.
Bots have had a workaround for weeks now. Same with browser movement bot detection, just train a behavioural cloning model on human mouse movements, and use that to create mouse trajectories instead of directly moving the cursor to the target position.
thank god, i need a kick in the ass to get off that poisonous slop
Yeah I basically only use Reddit if there’s a community I can’t find on either lemmy or tumblr (which is very very few) but that’s not worth giving a scan of my face to Reddit yuck
nuked my reddit account by telling reddit moderators that eventually every last pedophile account holder on reddit would be held accountable for their actions. got permanently banned for “threatening to kill reddit moderators” with police action “promised”. way to admit that reddit mods are pedophiles.
reddit mods not beating the allegations anytime soon
I made the switch to Lemmy today, feels old school kind of good.
Reddit is not only allowing for bots to run rampant, but also it’s managed by the Epstein class and their supporters.
You made the right choice by coming here.
Welcome! You’ll fit right in
Thank you! I’ve had the pleasure to notice Lemmy (or this particular instance) is more of an open thinker space, and that’s great to see. It really reminds me of the Internet before the corpos got their hands to squeeze every penny out of the average netizen.
Nice ! Fuck that rats nest !
I used to assume most of the bots belonged to Reddit. I still do, too.
Those won’t require id
Of course they are
I want most people to switch to lemmy.
I don’t. I want the ones who have something to contribute to a conversation to join Lemmy. I want the rest to take their meme-blasted voids where a person should be and sit in contemplation until they’re ready to join the adults.
BREAKING NEWS! Reddit figured out how to make their platform even shittier
Face ID? Has he not been paying attention? It’s pretty triival at this point to generate a picture of someone’s face.
Watch /r/politics posts go from 22k upvotes to 3k upvotes overnight.
Awesome, love it, hope they do it. I love me a good fire.
Fighting bots with less privacy feels like a trade a lot of people won’t be comfortable with.
This data surely goes straight to Palentir
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Oh sure, that’s why.
On the one hand, this is awful and will be a complete clusterfuck
On the other hand, it would be acceptable if the mods have to use a recent photo as an avatar.
never been happier to have been banned for no reason at all
They must mean automatic scripts and bots that didn’t pay for acces.
Ahahahahahahahahah funny, proooove you are not a bot ! 0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3 🤣🤣🤣🤣 mehhhh, upload an ID ✔️✔️✔️✔️
I’m curious if anyone has found a story indicating that they actually want a photo of your face? The original Engadget article seems to indicate that they’re talking about Apple FaceID/TouchID, not an actual image upload.
Apple stores all biometrics data locally on the device. Reddit wouldn’t ever see your face if this is the case; they would just get the passkey token generated by the secure enclave. Am I misunderstanding why this is causing outrage?
Well, you have to believe that.
Can we not quote a Polymarket tweet? WTF.
Well, that’s how it turned out… Sorry! I could have attached a screenshot from another source, but I was in a hurry, so here it is(