humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 20:09
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I can’t sleep anymore reading this stuff. The only chance that this can ever be regulated out of existence is through far reaching federal legislation that reinforces the 4th amendment in the digital age. And we know there is zero chance of that.
The public space has never included a true right to privacy but the raw intake and storage and analysis of your every biometric and existence to create a profile on every figure regardless of threat or action in society is a fucking Invasion of being.
even worse: I brought up flock cameras to an aquaintance and their response was essentially “why is that so bad, they already have all our data from our phones, what’s one more set of cameras”
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 May 15:10
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I swear to fuck. It’s like talking to brick walls. You have the freedom to control your phone.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 05:33
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Brick city
SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
on 21 May 20:35
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The whole point is to change the risk calculations people make in order to make “civil” and “polite” actions such as protests, legislation, etc. more risky and therefore most people are less likely to engage in.
What these dumb asses don’t realize is that if the level of risk for the “peaceful” options rises to the same level as alternatives, which are arguably much more effective, then those are going to be the only recourse people have and the actions people will take.
I do believe your analysis is correct about there being zero chance of it being legislated away. So now what?
turtlesareneat@piefed.ca
on 21 May 21:43
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Remember all those dystopian movies that were trying to warn us? Well now they’re guides.
humble_boatsman@sh.itjust.works
on 21 May 22:31
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Please reference said movies
E: I was just asking for some movie suggestions
nomadman@piefed.social
on 21 May 20:46
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I’m tired boss…
PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml
on 21 May 22:07
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“Benefiting private economic interests is absolutely one of the leading factors in creating these groups and organizations, and the public is all too happy to carry water for it,”
This sums up any of these private-public partnerships… Asset protection against primarily petty crime (while “shielding” behind terrorism), and increased camera-coverage at no cost to the taxpayer (to more efficiently treat symptoms, instead of recognizing problem causes: as to maintain the dysfunctional system, which disproportionately benefits a few). Respect to Albury for having a functional moral compass.
irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 21 May 22:14
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Yep, that’s why I left most social media and try to keep things private. Not because i have anything to hide. I just don’t want everything I do, read, and say to be used against me or trigger hate-based attacks. These days everyone has at least one thing that some hate group would target them for since that’s how fascism works. Make everyone an enemy in small subgroups and trigger hate against that small subgroup whenever you need to distract from taking away rights or taking people’s money.
Plus you don’t know what you need to hide until it’s a problem with a future government. Look at what’s happening with ICE and immigrants right now. Based on America’s positive history with immigration, nobody in their right mind would have expected such a U-turn. See also Jews and personally identifiable census religious data during WWII.
What the fuck are Amazon and Facebook doing? They were always spying on everyone, but that was just for targeted ads.
Now that the government is on the brink of flat out fascism they start sharing their data?
Dr_Del_Fuego@slrpnk.net
on 22 May 12:55
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From their POV: imagine if it was illegal for you to not buy their shit? They would love that and try to help it however they can
atrielienz@lemmy.world
on 22 May 13:33
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So, here’s the crux of the problem.
The internet as it is now and as it has existed for the vast majority of its life is an ad supported system.
The ad money is drying up because of several things:
AI is taking away click throughs to websites meaning they don’t get ad click throughs or impressions. They run ads to keep the lights on and they are being starved of the engagement that ads pay for.
People have less spending power than they have ever had. Ads don’t mean anything if people can’t afford products.
There is a pivot to trying to get rich people to buy goods and services but even though they have most of the wealth they don’t need most goods and services. This means the best way to get them to spend money is to have them invest to grow that money.
Ad companies require people to buy the goods and services that they are advertising in order to continue to pay for ads and ad aggregation.
A large subset of the populace really does hate ads and also wants things for free. They do not want to be told that nothing is free and ads are how a lot of the internet makes money.
The alternative to ad supported internet is data supported internet but people really really hate data brokers and data brokers mainly sell or offer up the use of data to three groups. Other data brokers/ad aggregators, the government/military industrial complex, and criminals.
So naturally companies that used to sustain themselves on ad aggregation now do so by pursuing government contracts. Because the line must go up.
Also the amount of bots (including, to a limited amount, private openclaw bots browsing the web) means that ads served are not really delivered to many humans (and said bots are really getting good at bypassing traditional captchas) & that destroys the value proposition of ads. That’s why Meta lobbies so hard for age verification – they want to be able to distinguish humans from bots, as they used to be able to
Never was only for targeted ads, because of the lack of a privacy right policy in the US, your data is open for everyone, also for gov and security agencies. All your data in these services are owned by these. Even when you cancel your account, your data remain there forever.
It is not targeted ads, they generate behaviour profiles to manage people’s behaviour into complying with corporate interests. It was all fun and games until the UK brexited and DJT became POTUS
I’m assuming so does Elon and his tech bro minions as well. We need way more South African immigrants until we reach the tipping point then BOOM!..conquered. /s
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I can’t sleep anymore reading this stuff. The only chance that this can ever be regulated out of existence is through far reaching federal legislation that reinforces the 4th amendment in the digital age. And we know there is zero chance of that.
The public space has never included a true right to privacy but the raw intake and storage and analysis of your every biometric and existence to create a profile on every figure regardless of threat or action in society is a fucking Invasion of being.
relying on an unjust law system and corrupt politicians is a no starter. the only way is for the general public to stop consenting to it.
they sell us hard on nothing to fear/nothing to hide rhetoric for a reason.
Me: I don’t consent to invasion of my being.
General public: k.
E: Shareholders: Jack Nicholson nodding yes menacingly
even worse: I brought up flock cameras to an aquaintance and their response was essentially “why is that so bad, they already have all our data from our phones, what’s one more set of cameras”
I swear to fuck. It’s like talking to brick walls. You have the freedom to control your phone.
Brick city
The whole point is to change the risk calculations people make in order to make “civil” and “polite” actions such as protests, legislation, etc. more risky and therefore most people are less likely to engage in.
What these dumb asses don’t realize is that if the level of risk for the “peaceful” options rises to the same level as alternatives, which are arguably much more effective, then those are going to be the only recourse people have and the actions people will take.
I do believe your analysis is correct about there being zero chance of it being legislated away. So now what?
Remember all those dystopian movies that were trying to warn us? Well now they’re guides.
Please reference said movies E: I was just asking for some movie suggestions
Anything simple enough for either of us to consciously understand would almost certainly be wrong
I really liked the idea of peaceful options I got to feel all star fleet and shit about it
The answer is the alternatives or get crushes under the boot heel.
When they remove peaceful options
I’m tired boss…
This sums up any of these private-public partnerships… Asset protection against primarily petty crime (while “shielding” behind terrorism), and increased camera-coverage at no cost to the taxpayer (to more efficiently treat symptoms, instead of recognizing problem causes: as to maintain the dysfunctional system, which disproportionately benefits a few). Respect to Albury for having a functional moral compass.
Yep, that’s why I left most social media and try to keep things private. Not because i have anything to hide. I just don’t want everything I do, read, and say to be used against me or trigger hate-based attacks. These days everyone has at least one thing that some hate group would target them for since that’s how fascism works. Make everyone an enemy in small subgroups and trigger hate against that small subgroup whenever you need to distract from taking away rights or taking people’s money.
Plus you don’t know what you need to hide until it’s a problem with a future government. Look at what’s happening with ICE and immigrants right now. Based on America’s positive history with immigration, nobody in their right mind would have expected such a U-turn. See also Jews and personally identifiable census religious data during WWII.
Having no online profile would also be suspicious.
Your best bet is to maintain the profile of a harmless dimwit without a whiff class consciousness.
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When is open season for flock cameras? Asking for a friend
It closes in 2776
What the fuck are Amazon and Facebook doing? They were always spying on everyone, but that was just for targeted ads.
Now that the government is on the brink of flat out fascism they start sharing their data?
From their POV: imagine if it was illegal for you to not buy their shit? They would love that and try to help it however they can
So, here’s the crux of the problem.
The internet as it is now and as it has existed for the vast majority of its life is an ad supported system.
The ad money is drying up because of several things:
AI is taking away click throughs to websites meaning they don’t get ad click throughs or impressions. They run ads to keep the lights on and they are being starved of the engagement that ads pay for.
People have less spending power than they have ever had. Ads don’t mean anything if people can’t afford products.
There is a pivot to trying to get rich people to buy goods and services but even though they have most of the wealth they don’t need most goods and services. This means the best way to get them to spend money is to have them invest to grow that money.
Ad companies require people to buy the goods and services that they are advertising in order to continue to pay for ads and ad aggregation.
A large subset of the populace really does hate ads and also wants things for free. They do not want to be told that nothing is free and ads are how a lot of the internet makes money.
The alternative to ad supported internet is data supported internet but people really really hate data brokers and data brokers mainly sell or offer up the use of data to three groups. Other data brokers/ad aggregators, the government/military industrial complex, and criminals.
So naturally companies that used to sustain themselves on ad aggregation now do so by pursuing government contracts. Because the line must go up.
Also the amount of bots (including, to a limited amount, private openclaw bots browsing the web) means that ads served are not really delivered to many humans (and said bots are really getting good at bypassing traditional captchas) & that destroys the value proposition of ads. That’s why Meta lobbies so hard for age verification – they want to be able to distinguish humans from bots, as they used to be able to
Never was only for targeted ads, because of the lack of a privacy right policy in the US, your data is open for everyone, also for gov and security agencies. All your data in these services are owned by these. Even when you cancel your account, your data remain there forever.
It is not targeted ads, they generate behaviour profiles to manage people’s behaviour into complying with corporate interests. It was all fun and games until the UK brexited and DJT became POTUS
I’m assuming so does Elon and his tech bro minions as well. We need way more South African immigrants until we reach the tipping point then BOOM!..conquered. /s
“Alexa, pls stop spying on me. Ok? Thx.”
Surveillance cams next year (autonomous with Grok AI)
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d3a5afc4-a637-4311-bc3f-2f755ba6d108.png">
where is this from?
Until now a military drone, but maybe in the near future also for civil surveillance and use in the US
do you have the source of this picture?
Amazon is sharing the books we’ve been reading/buying with the fascists in charge? I guess I’m on all the lists now for sure. 🫠