If anything, that’s even easier to defeat than the current captchas, no? Like with a VTuber thing, or something like that. This feels more like it’s about collecting face data
gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml
on 17 Jun 12:25
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i remember reading that the first captcha with the weird letters was used to train OCR, the second one with the click cars thing was to train self driving cars, so maybe this is to train ai to have a better understanding of hand gestures
comrade_twisty@feddit.org
on 17 Jun 12:35
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You’re not thinking far enough, it’s probably for humanoid AI robots of the future so they can mimick human movements.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 10:19
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Cool. I don’t have a camera hooked up to my Mac desktop. I specify Mac because Macs have a cool feature where you can use your iPhone (if you have one) as a camera. So basically I just prop my iPhone up against the monitor, screen away from me, and I now have the best webcam. Except, you have to manually do it, some website isn’t just gonna initiate the connection. It’s gonna ask the computer for camera permission. The computer handles all that on the back end. It’s the same on Windows. If you’re using Firefox, specifically, and you deny a website camera access, it doesn’t see a computer with a camera. Then what? I guess it just falls back on the old one?
Same with my MacBook. It does have a camera, but I don’t have to give any website permission to access it.
Just say no to this kind of shit. You might not be able to with Android, though I’m fairly certain you can. You might not be able to with Chrome, though I know now you can. But the way Chrome killed ad blocking for the most part? Yeah, they can do that with other privacy protections. Don’t use Chrome.
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts
on 17 Jun 11:07
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Another method to get facial recognition data. This goes hand in hand with the other ID submission crap. Fuck off, Google.
Looks like they want free data to improve their image generation for hand gestures.
Obituarykidney@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 12:00
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If I get hit with one of these I’m pressing back on that website. I don’t have a camera and I’m not giving them that much data for free.
It’ll get to a point where using captcha will lose the website traffic and sales and it won’t be worth it in the long run if people don’t give in to this shit.
fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 19:52
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I wish I could go up to everyone who complies and fine them $20 for the damage they’ve done to society.
Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net
on 17 Jun 12:12
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One my most embarrassing personal moments with tech is that I wasn’t immediately revolted when I learned that captcha was being used to farm training data. I just didn’t think it through, and didn’t think I needed to think it through. A hang over from the era of Google in the naughties I suppose.
Still … fool me once …
otacon239@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 12:45
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ReCaptcha was actually a positive effort with the goal being to help OCR tons of old books, so that’s worth something.
You can go back to image or audio captcha via the buttons below, still sucks too.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 12:32
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It will be a cold day in hell before I enable my camera to do anything for google or any of those fucking silicon valley parasites. I will quit the fucking internet first.
my ultimate boss is a faceless entity composed of a myriad of bureaucrats and they have assigned me a profile on microsoft. I don’t know what’s worse
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Jun 01:50
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I have a profile on Microsoft AND Google at my new job… I guess that’s worse. They don’t even have federated identity setup so it’s two different (cause different password rules) passwords
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 22:25
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Mine’s the exact opposite. Not a dick at all, good in most ways TBH. But doesn’t hate google, and really should.
Others questioned whether the technology will remain effective. X user Peter Austin (@PeterAusti61402) claimed he had bypassed the challenge using a virtual camera and AI-generated animations.
Damn, I’ve been reluctant so far to make sloppy AI animations like so many people are, but I may be forced to do so now to protect my privacy?
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 14:35
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get your verification cans ready
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 15:29
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Anyone know the % of web sites using google’s captcha?
I found a site that might have the info, but … wait for it… … … it blocked me for being a bot! Seriously!
FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 16:34
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They’re gonna have to have SOME alternative to comply with the ADA, right?
Coz believe it or not Google, you miserable fucks, there are ppl who don’t even have hands. There are ppl who have 'em but are unable to move them b/c of paralysis. There are ppl with probs like cerebral palsy who can’t make hand gestures on demand.
Stop pissing in everybody’s cheerios, google. Stop making everybody’s lives shittier.
Alternatives for a11y, by Google? That’s silly. They haven’t brought accessibility to even their main products like Google drive, I highly doubt they care. Those of us with specific requirements for accessibility are the least of their concerns.
schroedingersKoala@piefed.ca
on 17 Jun 17:12
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Ahhh, we are finally in “make the peasants dance for our enjoyment” phase.
Yeah, they can fuck right off.
Time to eat the rich, high time, or widely use that French invention to cut off arguments from rich fucks.
I have ads blocked, but this is in the middle of the article, so I don’t know if it’s affiliated with the site or if it’s an ad that slipped through the cracks. Either way, wtf?
Yeah, sure anonymous box, I totally trust you! Here, take all my passwords!
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Jun 02:23
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YIKES
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jun 04:56
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Honestly suspicious and makes me think the whole site is a trap
I mean, it does seem to do something. I generated a random one and it told me it was safe. For now! The box then told me to get a password manager with a link to its own password managers article and set up 2FA. The password manager list is just a collection of affiliate links with filler text btw.
If someone wants to figure out what the site sends to figure this stuff out and if it’s more than just rockyou.txt, go ahead.
F12 reports using that tool sends the password as a form body field to their site (which means their server can read the request in plain text), which responses a json with just a field of how many “matches”.
There’s no way to know whether they log the requests (so you should assume they do in uncertainty like this), but it certainly does the real thing of comparing it against a “leaked password” database in their servers. (If you want to check against these, there are real password dumps with list of leaked passwords you can ctrl+f yourself in your own PC, but even then they are likely not complete list as there still exist other database leaks of hashes where your password is not bruteforced yet to be put in plaintext but someone with more time might have gotten to it)
Ah, OK. I was hoping it would maybe do something clever like hash it and send a byte so the server can give it a small list of passwords to check locally but I guess they didn’t bother…
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im not enabling my camera…
If anything, that’s even easier to defeat than the current captchas, no? Like with a VTuber thing, or something like that. This feels more like it’s about collecting face data
i remember reading that the first captcha with the weird letters was used to train OCR, the second one with the click cars thing was to train self driving cars, so maybe this is to train ai to have a better understanding of hand gestures
You’re not thinking far enough, it’s probably for humanoid AI robots of the future so they can mimick human movements.
Cool. I don’t have a camera hooked up to my Mac desktop. I specify Mac because Macs have a cool feature where you can use your iPhone (if you have one) as a camera. So basically I just prop my iPhone up against the monitor, screen away from me, and I now have the best webcam. Except, you have to manually do it, some website isn’t just gonna initiate the connection. It’s gonna ask the computer for camera permission. The computer handles all that on the back end. It’s the same on Windows. If you’re using Firefox, specifically, and you deny a website camera access, it doesn’t see a computer with a camera. Then what? I guess it just falls back on the old one?
Same with my MacBook. It does have a camera, but I don’t have to give any website permission to access it.
Just say no to this kind of shit. You might not be able to with Android, though I’m fairly certain you can. You might not be able to with Chrome, though I know now you can. But the way Chrome killed ad blocking for the most part? Yeah, they can do that with other privacy protections. Don’t use Chrome.
Another method to get facial recognition data. This goes hand in hand with the other ID submission crap. Fuck off, Google.
Looks like they want free data to improve their image generation for hand gestures.
If I get hit with one of these I’m pressing back on that website. I don’t have a camera and I’m not giving them that much data for free.
It’ll get to a point where using captcha will lose the website traffic and sales and it won’t be worth it in the long run if people don’t give in to this shit.
I wish I could go up to everyone who complies and fine them $20 for the damage they’ve done to society.
Good luck. My camera is busted
One my most embarrassing personal moments with tech is that I wasn’t immediately revolted when I learned that captcha was being used to farm training data. I just didn’t think it through, and didn’t think I needed to think it through. A hang over from the era of Google in the naughties I suppose.
Still … fool me once …
ReCaptcha was actually a positive effort with the goal being to help OCR tons of old books, so that’s worth something.
The original Google captcha was back in the Don’t Be Evil time, if I’m not mistaken. No shame in believing them back then.
[ ] Are you a Crip?
[ ] Are you a Blood?
You can go back to image or audio captcha via the buttons below, still sucks too.
It will be a cold day in hell before I enable my camera to do anything for google or any of those fucking silicon valley parasites. I will quit the fucking internet first.
Or it will just be another day at work because your employer created you a google profile with all the relevant information for you to log in
My boss is a dick, but he hates those bastards as much as I do.
my ultimate boss is a faceless entity composed of a myriad of bureaucrats and they have assigned me a profile on microsoft. I don’t know what’s worse
I have a profile on Microsoft AND Google at my new job… I guess that’s worse. They don’t even have federated identity setup so it’s two different (cause different password rules) passwords
Mine’s the exact opposite. Not a dick at all, good in most ways TBH. But doesn’t hate google, and really should.
Sure but doesn’t mean corporate won’t require it.
Damn, I’ve been reluctant so far to make sloppy AI animations like so many people are, but I may be forced to do so now to protect my privacy?
get your verification cans ready
Anyone know the % of web sites using google’s captcha?
I found a site that might have the info, but … wait for it… … … it blocked me for being a bot! Seriously!
They’re gonna have to have SOME alternative to comply with the ADA, right?
Coz believe it or not Google, you miserable fucks, there are ppl who don’t even have hands. There are ppl who have 'em but are unable to move them b/c of paralysis. There are ppl with probs like cerebral palsy who can’t make hand gestures on demand.
Stop pissing in everybody’s cheerios, google. Stop making everybody’s lives shittier.
Alternatives for a11y, by Google? That’s silly. They haven’t brought accessibility to even their main products like Google drive, I highly doubt they care. Those of us with specific requirements for accessibility are the least of their concerns.
Ahhh, we are finally in “make the peasants dance for our enjoyment” phase. Yeah, they can fuck right off. Time to eat the rich, high time, or widely use that French invention to cut off arguments from rich fucks.
Fr, do we need to schedule a date or something to mob through the country and eleminate these owning class twats?
I’ve got a variety of fun and friendly hand gestures the AI can learn
I have a hand gesture for you Google, here’s the New York bird 🖕
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my pc does not even have a camera lol
Microsoft required all OEM laptops to have webcams though. That’s a significant amount of devices.
Show verification can
I read the article for the information, but the thing I really want to comment on is this box on the page:
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I have ads blocked, but this is in the middle of the article, so I don’t know if it’s affiliated with the site or if it’s an ad that slipped through the cracks. Either way, wtf?
Yeah, sure anonymous box, I totally trust you! Here, take all my passwords!
YIKES
Honestly suspicious and makes me think the whole site is a trap
<img alt="picture of me entering fuck you as a password to their weird password checker" src="https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/c2eb5117-ccd3-4cf6-9dee-67bbb766f8d9.png"> ah shit my password
I mean, it does seem to do something. I generated a random one and it told me it was safe. For now! The box then told me to get a password manager with a link to its own password managers article and set up 2FA. The password manager list is just a collection of affiliate links with filler text btw.
If someone wants to figure out what the site sends to figure this stuff out and if it’s more than just rockyou.txt, go ahead.
F12 reports using that tool sends the password as a form body field to their site (which means their server can read the request in plain text), which responses a json with just a field of how many “matches”.
There’s no way to know whether they log the requests (so you should assume they do in uncertainty like this), but it certainly does the real thing of comparing it against a “leaked password” database in their servers. (If you want to check against these, there are real password dumps with list of leaked passwords you can ctrl+f yourself in your own PC, but even then they are likely not complete list as there still exist other database leaks of hashes where your password is not bruteforced yet to be put in plaintext but someone with more time might have gotten to it)
Ah, OK. I was hoping it would maybe do something clever like hash it and send a byte so the server can give it a small list of passwords to check locally but I guess they didn’t bother…
github.com/hacksider/deep-live-cam
I was JUST looking for something like this. This needs to be either backed up somewhere or moved off github
i thought the same thing. be the change you want to see!
what camera?
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Am I doing it right?
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