You’ve got some companies advertising with streamers/youtubers that do some checks on who they advertise with. They use specialised communication agencies, it’s their job.
Companies that neither do their job nor get someone to do it for them, and end up financing fascists, even though they should be especially careful given their CEO past declarations ?
Nah. Nintendo have literally removed people from their Ambassador program over things like suicide ideation and talking about getting help for it. Proton absolutely can and probably should vet their ambassador program.
Even Proton themselves admit that this was a misstep.
their CEO publicly announced support for trump; anyone saying otherwise about proton’s proclivities is coping too hard – especially the ones in this community.
From what I understood: ONLYOFFICE is a fork of Libre Office by a russian company. NextCloud was using ONLYOFFICE for its built-in cloud office suite replacement.
Then they forked it with others to have greater control on the software with no communication whatsever to the company developing ONLYOFFICE without respecting their questionnable trademark restriction within ONLYOFFICE licence which I am still unsure if it was compatible with GPL licence Libre Office is using.
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 15:47
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It’s Euro-Office that might have Russians roots. Do get the facts straight. ;-)
LibreOffice is the only real free and open, open source office suite out there.
Man it took me 3 days of re-reading to only now realize that there is OPENoffice that is forked to libre office, and ONLYoffice, which has strong russian origins.
Til that only-office is even a thing. Far too easy to misread when I wasn’t expecting only as a prefix to office. I’m sure I’m not the only one that got tripped up.
Also PSA: euro office isn’t a standalone offline office suite - it’s web based and doesn’t run standalone. Needs next cloud and quite a bit of setup to allow for that M$365 ‘experience’.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 Jun 00:11
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afaik euro-office is a fork of libreoffice that is redesigned to look more like onlyoffice
I have not seen evidence of Proton “going the far right route” yet. They are just sponsoring channels that ever mention privacy and far right ones frequently does that too. You can blame proton for no scrutinize, but not of siding with the right or the left. Proton is just focusing in mayor growth and nothing else, for better or for worse.
I can’t see much of a problem with this, yeah Trump actually did started something useful for all the wrong reasons and the guy praised that, the company sponsoring far right weirdos is waaaay more problematic to be honest.
I read this. The guy criticising him seemed like a liberal chud, and the CEO, imo, seems like a centrist chud.
In fact, he seems like an anti corporation radical centrist.
Of course this is the dumbest thing for him to say, considering Trumps corruption with Elon Musk, and him having multi billionaire tech CEOs at his inauguration, clearly Trump is not against big tech.
Proton mail has been in a rampage with sponsor YouTube channels and, in my opinion, that is a mistake. I would have kept it an organic growth, but that is me… a nobody, and Proton has become far more successful than no other email provider in the privacy world.
Considering even that, Proton is not vetting who is sponsoring. This is a fiasco. For instance they try to sponsor the channel “The hated one” that never takes any sponsors and even constantly criticizes channels that does it. That is a mayor blunder for Proton, there is no scrutiny at all with their marketing deployment. By the way, we learned that that youtubers get a juicy amount by Proton in these sponsorships (I think was $70 per subscription).
Proton, for years, has been aiming for the masses, not the most serious in privacy (for instance, androidś Proton email still uses Google push services). That is not bad per se, I still recommend Proton to many. But those with a more ideological approach to privacy or those requiring top notch on it, should be aiming for other service providers.
Using Proton always seemed like a bad idea. People come to Proton in order to deGoogle or de-big-tech but then lock themselves into their ecosystem, defeating the entire purpose.
Not mention how scummy their PR-Team, their CEO and their Business Practices are.
So many Proton sponsered content creators spread lies about how Proton Mail is supposedly E2E encrypted or how Proton VPN is supposedly a privacy and security tool.
Time and time again they have lied about how much data they have and how much they have disclosed to investigating agencies.
The only way I could ever undestand someone using Proton Mail would be to use their service but behind your own domain, such that migrating away stays easy.
I did this myself in 2023, coming from google. And have now dropped their Eco system for all disconnected privacy friendly options like mailbox.org and bitwarden for example.
But I also use my own domain and a ton of alias email addresses so wasn’t locked to my proton email address in any meaningful way
This guy is literally a grandson of a dictator of the military dictatorship. He was also one of the articulators of the 2023 coup attempt, pressing the military to join
very cool proton
edit: giving more context in case someone wants to post this in their subreddit (I won’t): his name is Paulo Figueiredo and he still have a proton vpn sponsor link in every video on youtube.
I’m from Brazil and I hadn’t seen this yet. It’s disgusting! Dude, Proton never again! They are financing the most rotten things in Brazil! Very sad and revolting!
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 09 Jun 05:59
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Thanks for the heads up. Haven’t really used Proton, but I have a few accounts in case of… But now they will be deleted.
anti fascism means anti fascist no matter what. The fact you don’t care about right wing extremism doesn’t mean shit to me. Keep on using your fascist software, while not caring. Your “convictions”, or lack of, means fuck all to the world
Any type of extremism is wrong on both sides and it leads to humanity’s misery. Premises may differ, but the result is always an authoritarian or totalitarian outcome. Regardless of stated goals, extreme ideologies tend to concentrate power and suppress dissent — this is well-supported historically.
Yeah, “free” speech that spreads fascist propaganda should be dealt with and censored. World views that are centered around hate, xenophobia, ignorance, colonialism/imperialism, violence, anti-immigration/emigration, and “racialism” “”science”” like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy and their modern sympathizers should be heavily censored and criticized.
The freedom of speech isn’t supposed to protect you from lies, rather gives you the right to lie and cheat as long as you don’t break the arbitrary rules. It also doesn’t protect you from being personally socially persecuted by your employer, neighbors, friends and family, etc. In fact, it’s meant to protect your right to believe whatever cool and just or whatever stupid thing you want to believe.
You say “oh so it was never about free speech then huh”; but no. It was never about just being able to say whatever. I personally don’t think the right to “free speech “ should give you the right to lie to children and propagandize them & then sell them stuff with cool words and fancy colors. You can’t go into a business and threaten them because they can enforce that, and it’s a GOOD thing that your “freedom of speech” doesn’t protect that.
People can’t even say free Palestine or Fuck ICE, your idea of “freedom” is far different than mine. Freedom for fascists is a death sentence for everyone.
“Proton mail sponsors far right French YouTuber, censors criticism on their subreddit”. Far right is fascism so if you condemned it you condemned this youtuber by whatever the fuck he is saying.
ferric_carcinization@lemmy.ml
on 10 Jun 08:21
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It’s how life tends to evolve into crab-like forms. I’m not good at thinking up usernames, so it was the best I came up with. I like the Rust language, and the language’s mascot is a crab. So, my username is about the tendency of codebases to turn to Rust.
Ah I see. Not well, but I see. Ferric triggered my question because I use Ammonium ferric cyanide and Ammonium ferric citrate. You mix those two things together in warm water to create Mike Ware’s NewCyanotype formula. Then you paint them over paper or other surfaces and expose them to UV light under a photo negative. The result is that a blue print photo is created. Then you wash away that image in water. The blue bits are water insoluble so they stay. The rest is dissolved And floats away.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 Jun 05:43
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Liechtenstein
ferric_carcinization@lemmy.ml
on 10 Jun 08:23
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Seems kind of unnecessary at the end there, doesn’t it? Not like the sentence has anything to do with the country.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world
on 09 Jun 08:14
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Fuck.
And to think people on Lemmy advised me to switch to it.
If I’d done my research I could’ve seen it coming.
Yen’s personal u/ on Reddit being “andy1011000,” which is binary for “andy88”.
It was considered paranoid to read something into that.
But then what would the reason be for usinfg this binary?
While they already used 88 as an obfuscation for HH(heil Hitler)
This is a similar step obfuscating the 88.
And there are precedents of it being used by fascist scum
Well, I am concerned. I paid $100+ on a proton bundle subscription during the Black Friday sale, it came with half a terabyte cloud storage, a fast and Private vpn, and a proton pass which integrates well with the email provider. It was cheap, and private, and it all works well together.
Proton is owned 60 something percent by the proton non profit organisation, which makes regular donations to other private project’s like GrapheneOS. It’s worked well for me. But this is really concerning considering I oppose fascism, and broadly want to support a leftist, anti-capitalist movement.
This also sucks because the far right want their internet privacy as much as the anti capitalist left. Does this mean proton is an evil company, that even if it has good, private technology, should be boycotted? When frankly, if the left boycotted, and didn’t participate in any capitalist organisation, we would likely starve to death.
Could this just be a marketing issue? Ffs the consumer should not be blamed for the faults of a company, and using their product.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 13:17
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People in this thread love to dunk on proton but they don’t have time to heavily investigate all the sponsorships and affiliate links, they’re too busy actually keeping the service up and secure.
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Such companies “sponsor” everyone. It’s cheaper than normal advertisements.
You’ve got some companies advertising with streamers/youtubers that do some checks on who they advertise with. They use specialised communication agencies, it’s their job.
Yes, and then you have companies like Proton Mail.
Companies that neither do their job nor get someone to do it for them, and end up financing fascists, even though they should be especially careful given their CEO past declarations ?
Nah. Nintendo have literally removed people from their Ambassador program over things like suicide ideation and talking about getting help for it. Proton absolutely can and probably should vet their ambassador program.
Even Proton themselves admit that this was a misstep.
I was afraid Proton would eventually go down the far right route… and it seems like my fears came true
their CEO publicly announced support for trump; anyone saying otherwise about proton’s proclivities is coping too hard – especially the ones in this community.
you can say this about literally every tech company these days.
very true; capitalists will always capital.
Which is why we support Open Source like Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, NextCloud, LibreOffice and a whole lot more. :-)
I’d cut nextcloud from that list
Why?
As long as it is open source, then there’s not much to worry about. ;-)
With euro office coming up, there was some musing that libre office has Russian roots, does that change the equation any?
From what I understood: ONLYOFFICE is a fork of Libre Office by a russian company. NextCloud was using ONLYOFFICE for its built-in cloud office suite replacement. Then they forked it with others to have greater control on the software with no communication whatsever to the company developing ONLYOFFICE without respecting their questionnable trademark restriction within ONLYOFFICE licence which I am still unsure if it was compatible with GPL licence Libre Office is using.
It’s Euro-Office that might have Russians roots. Do get the facts straight. ;-)
LibreOffice is the only real free and open, open source office suite out there.
Isn’t libre also a fork of open?
Man it took me 3 days of re-reading to only now realize that there is OPENoffice that is forked to libre office, and ONLYoffice, which has strong russian origins.
Til that only-office is even a thing. Far too easy to misread when I wasn’t expecting only as a prefix to office. I’m sure I’m not the only one that got tripped up.
Also PSA: euro office isn’t a standalone offline office suite - it’s web based and doesn’t run standalone. Needs next cloud and quite a bit of setup to allow for that M$365 ‘experience’.
afaik euro-office is a fork of libreoffice that is redesigned to look more like onlyoffice
that or it’s a fork from onlyoffice
Any good VPNs big dawg?
I don’t need VPN… Sorry mate.
I have not seen evidence of Proton “going the far right route” yet. They are just sponsoring channels that ever mention privacy and far right ones frequently does that too. You can blame proton for no scrutinize, but not of siding with the right or the left. Proton is just focusing in mayor growth and nothing else, for better or for worse.
Archived BlueSky Post of them: archive.ph/2yWGz
I can’t see much of a problem with this, yeah Trump actually did started something useful for all the wrong reasons and the guy praised that, the company sponsoring far right weirdos is waaaay more problematic to be honest.
I read this. The guy criticising him seemed like a liberal chud, and the CEO, imo, seems like a centrist chud.
In fact, he seems like an anti corporation radical centrist.
Of course this is the dumbest thing for him to say, considering Trumps corruption with Elon Musk, and him having multi billionaire tech CEOs at his inauguration, clearly Trump is not against big tech.
man, is it just time for me to quit technology altogether?
Is there an article about this?
reddit.com/comments/1u052qp there’s this thread on Reddit at least
www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/…/oqgihvq/
Here’s some of protons response
Thanks, yeah seems it was a mistake. The CEO / founder is I believe a libertarian, but at least he believes in something, like privacy.
And for us who refuses to open links to Big Tech like reddit. Is there any other trusted sources for this?
You could check redlib and put the links in it
Actual larper.
Three things on Proton:
Proton mail has been in a rampage with sponsor YouTube channels and, in my opinion, that is a mistake. I would have kept it an organic growth, but that is me… a nobody, and Proton has become far more successful than no other email provider in the privacy world.
Considering even that, Proton is not vetting who is sponsoring. This is a fiasco. For instance they try to sponsor the channel “The hated one” that never takes any sponsors and even constantly criticizes channels that does it. That is a mayor blunder for Proton, there is no scrutiny at all with their marketing deployment. By the way, we learned that that youtubers get a juicy amount by Proton in these sponsorships (I think was $70 per subscription).
Proton, for years, has been aiming for the masses, not the most serious in privacy (for instance, androidś Proton email still uses Google push services). That is not bad per se, I still recommend Proton to many. But those with a more ideological approach to privacy or those requiring top notch on it, should be aiming for other service providers.
ceo praised trump then deleted the tweet. it should have been the first warning sign he is a fascist.
It’s actually wilder than that. The official Proton account went onto several platforms to repeat the endorsement.
Using Proton always seemed like a bad idea. People come to Proton in order to deGoogle or de-big-tech but then lock themselves into their ecosystem, defeating the entire purpose.
Not mention how scummy their PR-Team, their CEO and their Business Practices are.
So many Proton sponsered content creators spread lies about how Proton Mail is supposedly E2E encrypted or how Proton VPN is supposedly a privacy and security tool.
Time and time again they have lied about how much data they have and how much they have disclosed to investigating agencies.
The only way I could ever undestand someone using Proton Mail would be to use their service but behind your own domain, such that migrating away stays easy.
I did this myself in 2023, coming from google. And have now dropped their Eco system for all disconnected privacy friendly options like mailbox.org and bitwarden for example.
But I also use my own domain and a ton of alias email addresses so wasn’t locked to my proton email address in any meaningful way
They also sponsor a far-right influencer in Brazil.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/96411fc8-6c65-478d-b063-cdf800c65d34.png">
This guy is literally a grandson of a dictator of the military dictatorship. He was also one of the articulators of the 2023 coup attempt, pressing the military to join
very cool proton
edit: giving more context in case someone wants to post this in their subreddit (I won’t): his name is Paulo Figueiredo and he still have a proton vpn sponsor link in every video on youtube.
I’m from Brazil and I hadn’t seen this yet. It’s disgusting! Dude, Proton never again! They are financing the most rotten things in Brazil! Very sad and revolting!
Thanks for the heads up. Haven’t really used Proton, but I have a few accounts in case of… But now they will be deleted.
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anti fascism means anti fascist no matter what. The fact you don’t care about right wing extremism doesn’t mean shit to me. Keep on using your fascist software, while not caring. Your “convictions”, or lack of, means fuck all to the world
what if Proton mail sponsored far left extremists and censored criticism on their subreddit, would it be okay then?
Are you for real using horse shoe bullshit?
Any type of extremism is wrong on both sides and it leads to humanity’s misery. Premises may differ, but the result is always an authoritarian or totalitarian outcome. Regardless of stated goals, extreme ideologies tend to concentrate power and suppress dissent — this is well-supported historically.
So you really are using horseshoe theory
You can call it whatever you want, really.
Except for correct
Yes
Got it, so it was never about free speech, it was about whose speech gets protected
Yeah, “free” speech that spreads fascist propaganda should be dealt with and censored. World views that are centered around hate, xenophobia, ignorance, colonialism/imperialism, violence, anti-immigration/emigration, and “racialism” “”science”” like Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy and their modern sympathizers should be heavily censored and criticized.
The freedom of speech isn’t supposed to protect you from lies, rather gives you the right to lie and cheat as long as you don’t break the arbitrary rules. It also doesn’t protect you from being personally socially persecuted by your employer, neighbors, friends and family, etc. In fact, it’s meant to protect your right to believe whatever cool and just or whatever stupid thing you want to believe.
You say “oh so it was never about free speech then huh”; but no. It was never about just being able to say whatever. I personally don’t think the right to “free speech “ should give you the right to lie to children and propagandize them & then sell them stuff with cool words and fancy colors. You can’t go into a business and threaten them because they can enforce that, and it’s a GOOD thing that your “freedom of speech” doesn’t protect that.
People can’t even say free Palestine or Fuck ICE, your idea of “freedom” is far different than mine. Freedom for fascists is a death sentence for everyone.
If your sense of right and wrong depends on a map or a label, then I don’t think you have principles… you just have a tribe
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You misread the post title or is extreme naive.
“Proton mail sponsors far right French YouTuber, censors criticism on their subreddit”. Far right is fascism so if you condemned it you condemned this youtuber by whatever the fuck he is saying.
The corporation sponsors the pro capitalist ideologue? I’m shocked.
Ironically I am happier with cock.li than proton
(context: owned by 4chan user (with a grain of salt(?)) but it’s best i’ve found :/ )
All of us could use some cock.li
What does the “li” after the end of your sentence mean?
What is carcinization?
It’s how life tends to evolve into crab-like forms. I’m not good at thinking up usernames, so it was the best I came up with. I like the Rust language, and the language’s mascot is a crab. So, my username is about the tendency of codebases to turn to Rust.
Ah I see. Not well, but I see. Ferric triggered my question because I use Ammonium ferric cyanide and Ammonium ferric citrate. You mix those two things together in warm water to create Mike Ware’s NewCyanotype formula. Then you paint them over paper or other surfaces and expose them to UV light under a photo negative. The result is that a blue print photo is created. Then you wash away that image in water. The blue bits are water insoluble so they stay. The rest is dissolved And floats away.
Liechtenstein
Seems kind of unnecessary at the end there, doesn’t it? Not like the sentence has anything to do with the country.
Fuck.
And to think people on Lemmy advised me to switch to it.
If I’d done my research I could’ve seen it coming.
Yen’s personal u/ on Reddit being “andy1011000,” which is binary for “andy88”.
It was considered paranoid to read something into that.
But then what would the reason be for usinfg this binary?
While they already used 88 as an obfuscation for HH(heil Hitler)
This is a similar step obfuscating the 88.
And there are precedents of it being used by fascist scum
He’s Chinese enthinicity and multiple 8s are a lucky number in that culture. I think that’s more likely than a reference to Hitler.
That is a valid explanation.
I’m so happy I moved away from them a year and something ago. This was totally predictable
Moved to what?
tuta.io & mailbox.org
Well, I am concerned. I paid $100+ on a proton bundle subscription during the Black Friday sale, it came with half a terabyte cloud storage, a fast and Private vpn, and a proton pass which integrates well with the email provider. It was cheap, and private, and it all works well together.
Proton is owned 60 something percent by the proton non profit organisation, which makes regular donations to other private project’s like GrapheneOS. It’s worked well for me. But this is really concerning considering I oppose fascism, and broadly want to support a leftist, anti-capitalist movement.
This also sucks because the far right want their internet privacy as much as the anti capitalist left. Does this mean proton is an evil company, that even if it has good, private technology, should be boycotted? When frankly, if the left boycotted, and didn’t participate in any capitalist organisation, we would likely starve to death.
Could this just be a marketing issue? Ffs the consumer should not be blamed for the faults of a company, and using their product.
People in this thread love to dunk on proton but they don’t have time to heavily investigate all the sponsorships and affiliate links, they’re too busy actually keeping the service up and secure.
Here’s proton’s response
lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26484589
Proton did respond to this.
www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/…/oqgihvq/
why is this comment so buried. An official response should be the top comment, and as of writing this only has 2 upvotes
OH COME ON WHERE AM I GONNA GET EMAIL AND VPNS NOW >:[ AHHGG guess imma have to pay…