tyler@programming.dev
on 06 Jan 18:04
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The tizen version is finally close to release. I don’t use a Samsung TV but in-laws do and I don’t like installing the dev version.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Jan 19:30
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Yeah, the Tizen app will be huge for me. I’ve been dual-running Plex and JF specifically because a few of my users have Tizen devices. And there’s no way I’d be able to explain sideloading to my “throws up their hands and says it’s too complicated as soon as they see anything unexpected” relatives over the phone.
Luckily, I got a lifetime PlexPass like a decade ago, before JF even existed. So it’s not like supporting Tizen is costing me anything extra.
This general attitude towards giving up when something becomes unfamiliar is wild to me, because in any discipline they’re even slightly good at, they’d take a minor hurdle as a learning experience, plus they have you to walk them through it, so it really isn’t a big deal.
This was made abundantly clear when I installed the Jellyseerr app (basically just a webapp) on my Dad’s phone, logged in for him and walked him through this process:
Use the search bar
Select the show
Select the season you want
Click request
“That’s too complicated I’ll just ask you when I want to watch something”
I sent him a Signal message in a new group called “Jellyfin guide”. It should be easy to find since I’m his only Signal contact.
Just follow the guide.
A week later, “hey can you download this for me?”
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 03:03
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It’s learned helplessness. They hit a roadblock they couldn’t figure out, and instead of trying again, they just went “well I guess this tech stuff isn’t for me.” And now that’s the attitude they fall into every time.
It’s like if someone lost their first board game, and just wrote off board games entirely because they aren’t any good at them. And any time they do need to play a board game, they can just call their favorite nephew to play it for them.
I just need JF to be in the same neighborhood as the corporate stuff for security and end-user ease of use. I can do a hell of a lot of complicated stuff on my end, but walking grandma through a change is painful.
The fact that jellyfin let’s you sort your media exactly the way you want without promoting or hiding content already puts JF miles ahead any commercial streaming services. The ease of mind is unbeatable.
I absolutely hate what Plex has become. I bought a lifetime pass a long, long time ago, and ever since that purchase, they seem to have done nothing but strip features I need and force features I don’t want.
Now if we could just sort the jf collections type in ways other than by date ;)
I’ve been looking through the source. I could totally fix it, but I worry no one would appreciate my code chops :) And I think the current work on the db changes might invalidate anything I actually try.
immobile7801@piefed.social
on 06 Jan 18:38
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That looks specific to jf desktop, do you have many users using that?
10.11 is still a hot mess for large home media collection. Especially one with images mixed in. The team doesn’t even seem to prioritize fixing all of that before moving on building new features. Music collection are also slower and albums meta don’t load correctly anymore. I would hold off from fully converting to it if you have a large collection
I do have a large collection and I haven’t checked the music lib state yet. I have a zfs snapshot from before the upgrade so I could restore if shit hits the fan.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 06:56
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I honestly found it much better to create a new db for 10.11 vs migrating. Both took about the same amount of time but the fresh db has no issues and the migrated db has some hiccups like you described (and some others). Main downside is you lose watch status
SWIM has a sizable aged library - wouldn’t be surprising with sqlite db corruptions by now - and absolutely no issues smoothly upgrading amd migrating to 10.11. Had sweaty upgrades a few times over the years but this was not one of them.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Jan 01:27
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Honestly it’s a testament to the devs that it mainly worked for most people as well as it did.
Like kudos to them. That was a huge, huge migration to a different library/format and they pulled it off.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk
on 06 Jan 20:47
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I got an issue that it keeps my servers hdd awake even when not in use. Hope they can fix that soon.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 22:44
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We were using Jellyfin to watch old episodes of Sherlock Holmes last night, during a break we switched over to playing a few songs I had thrown on there. The interface for movies and shows seems great but my spouse asked me, “why is there a shuffle option for shows?” To which I said idk, maybe if someone watches something like family guy it doesn’t matter. But then when we were under my music section, I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to use shuffle. It was probably user error, but it seemed strange
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 02:31
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I run the server from Mint, play from Roku client. I have a copyparty server set up on that mint sever as well, and we resorted to pulling up the website and having a 80s competition, trying to top the other but not by much so we didn’t go to what we thought would be the best song right aways, which we played from our phones so the other could scroll and look. Hers Samsung, mine Motorola, so both android.
Edit: Just checked the Android app for jellyfin. It appears we jumped from jellyfin to copyparty to early, the jellyfin app has the shuffle button.
Looks like when you’re in a “mixed Playlist”, whatever that means, the shuffle and loop buttons are removed from the interface of the audio player (AudioPlayerView.bs:148-159). I’m not sure why that is, but it seems like it’s deliberate.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 05:46
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Yeah, apparently it’s top/center for Android and web based, and not present for Roku. But thank you for that information. The other person who responded made me investigate. So I need to find the person earlier who said they program the Roku one, and suggest shuffle for entire music playlist., also make a donation lol
A mixed playlist is a playlist of mixed media. Movies, shows, audio, etc. all mixed together in a single playlist.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 06:53
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10.11 first library scan will take AGES because of the new db changes or something. My library is huge (~100tb of media) and it took days. Subsequent scans are much faster, like 10-12 minutes on 10th gen Xeon (roughly i5 equivalent) for a full library scan.
Fucking hell. OK, I’ll upgrade again and wait longer. Mine’s ~15TB.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 07:01
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Do you have music? I don’t know this for sure but I also wonder if music collections slow things down. My music collection is pretty massive (like 40% of my storage) and it’s a shitload of files to index.
Thankfully I don’t put my books in jellyfin because my ebook/manga library is also pretty massive. If the apocalypse occurs I’m set for the 2-3 days I’d have power after the end of times
After the migration it is recommended that you perform a full scan through the admin dashboard. We have observed that for some users, some elements might not work properly otherwise (e.g parental ratings). As of RC8 a scan for missing metadata may be required for music libraries to function properly. The first scan after the migration might also take quite a bit longer than usual, though subsequent scans should be as quick as before.
The last messages in the log are from music lib scanning. I’m leaving it be for now.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 07:31
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Interesting. I will say music is the weakest point of jellyfin db. Mine is currently good but I nuked my db for the new db style in 10.11 and created a new db, mainly bc of issues within music library. But this went back to like 10.9 and were probably from me fucking around in the db manually to try and override tags. I’ve since retagged my music as it was just the easier solution (artist ft artist got me all fucked up, I hated having 900 entries for like 1 artist who did frequent collabs)
This is the issue thread re the very long scanning after upgrading to 10.11
Edit: also one thing I learned from the db editing and again from the 10.11 migration is that the jellyfin db can get “stuck” in such a way that nothing I can find will overwrite db entries, even manually opening the db in an sql editor (which makes me think there are hard to find tables I could never track down but db stuff is not my forte so I dunno)
It’s all normal though. Software development is hard and big changes mean more regressions. You do the changes when needed, then you work on squashing the bugs.
Library scan still going here. At least something is spinning because one CPU thread is pegged to 100%.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 22:41
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Oh right! In admin console under server>general at the bottom there is a section called “performance”. Under this the first entry is “parallel library scan tasks limit”. Increasing this can significantly improve performance here. If it’s empty it is auto selecting. To that point if you’re running jellyfin in a docker and only allow it access to one core that would seriously limit performance here. Screenshot below, I currently have it set to 2 because I’ve done the “big” scan and I don’t need my cpu hammered when jellyfin does library scans
Additionally an issue I ran into later: under playback>transcoding enable hardware transcoding must be checked. Trickplay task was taking literal months because even though I had configured igpu transcoding correctly this has to be enabled separately. UX stuff like this is where jellyfin needs more polish; I’m sure there’s debate about this but why would this not default to on once transcoding is enabled? Who knows. Maybe just oversight.
I seem to be suffering from this issue. Lotsa spam in the logs and the scan job doesn’t seem to be moving. The next attempt would be, revert, disable music lib and upgrade. Then deal with the music lib separately. But I’ll let it run another 12-24 hours.
Ok, I don’t have anywhere near that amount of media, but MythTV takes seconds to rescan ~2TB of videos and maybe a minute to get any missing details like fanart, etc.
Similar amount for music - but I feed it the files after I’ve run them through Picard.
I’ve not done a complete rescan of eveything for ages, but from memory it’s like an hour absolute tops. More like ~30 mins.
And that’s on an underclocked CPU (for quietness).
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Jan 07:24
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I found the link
“Library scans are expected to take (way) longer in 10.11 because we are now a) properly validating all existing data and b) properly applying concurrency limits. Usually only the first scan after the upgrade takes significantly longer because it will fix some data inconsistencies we can not repair while doing the initial migrations. Any subsequent scan should be faster but if you add a lot of new files it will still take longer than before because of the concurrency limit.”
From the thread for people with more realistic media libraries like yours (5-20tb) the initial scan is more like a few hours. However, if you’re like me and hoard shit expect it to potentially take days
Lonewolfmcquade@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 16:52
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Thanks for this. Good to know! I haven’t taken the leap yet. I’ll plan the upgrade when we will be on vacation…
ahhh I’ve been waiting for a new layout, too bad i probably won’t get to use it since they won’t fix the bug/feature that keeps the pc awake and screen on with a black image after an episode finishes (when autoplay off). will be forever stuck in player 1.9.1.
I don’t understand why they put so much effort into clients, when the server is still missing so many QoL features. I wish they would finally focus on those, or else I have no reason to move away from Plex.
I liken it to the love child of Classic ASP and JavaScript.
🤔 …ok, maybe it is that bad.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 05:49
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Sir, I posted elsewhere and it appears your expertice may help my experience. Android/web allows shuffle at the top for music. Roku only offers me shuffle in shows. Is there a way I can enable it in music and/or is there somewhere I could donate something small to your time to add a shuffle button to roku’s music client?
Edit: it’s very possible maybe I have my server or client settings set up wrong.
This is what I see on Android for the client under music
Roku only offers me shuffle in shows. Is there a way I can enable it in music
Want to shuffle play your entire music library?
On the home screen, move the cursor over the music library and press PLAY on your remote. It’ll play 2000 random songs.
What to shuffle play all songs by an artist?
Go to your music library and switch to one of the Artist views. Find the artist you want and press PLAY on your remote. It’ll play their songs in random order.
What to shuffle play a single album?
Go to your music library and switch to “Albums” view. Find the album you want and press * on your remote. Choose “Shuffle Play Album”
You can also do this with any album listed on the home screen.
I changed to jellyfin a couple of weeks ago, and my wife and I both prefer jellyfin, by far. It’s quicker and just looks better. We only use it for streaming local content, never used any other Plex features.
Android TV / Chromecast: subtitles are broken since November for external players. Literally stopped watching my shows.
Lonewolfmcquade@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 15:42
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This is why I don’t update unless absolutely necessary. I’m only running a local instance so it is less of a security issue. Once I land on a working version, I’m gonna go ahead and stick with that as long as I can.
I found 2 major issues on subtitle for external played,
displaying italic words in external player subtitle
if there’s an .ass subtitle file, no subtitle will shown
Because of this, now I use built in player until it’s solved
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 15:39
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I will say that the 10.11 update for me was a freaking nightmare with so different types of failures.
I’m still waiting the ability to remove seasons without deleting the media, especially since I now have ton’s of duplicate season_xxxx seasons from the major version update, mucking up most of my seasons that I didn’t have before.
Oh and chromecasting on the app is still a giant mess.
threaded - newest
The tizen version is finally close to release. I don’t use a Samsung TV but in-laws do and I don’t like installing the dev version.
Yeah, the Tizen app will be huge for me. I’ve been dual-running Plex and JF specifically because a few of my users have Tizen devices. And there’s no way I’d be able to explain sideloading to my “throws up their hands and says it’s too complicated as soon as they see anything unexpected” relatives over the phone.
Luckily, I got a lifetime PlexPass like a decade ago, before JF even existed. So it’s not like supporting Tizen is costing me anything extra.
This general attitude towards giving up when something becomes unfamiliar is wild to me, because in any discipline they’re even slightly good at, they’d take a minor hurdle as a learning experience, plus they have you to walk them through it, so it really isn’t a big deal.
This was made abundantly clear when I installed the Jellyseerr app (basically just a webapp) on my Dad’s phone, logged in for him and walked him through this process:
“That’s too complicated I’ll just ask you when I want to watch something”
I sent him a Signal message in a new group called “Jellyfin guide”. It should be easy to find since I’m his only Signal contact.
Just follow the guide.
A week later, “hey can you download this for me?”
It’s learned helplessness. They hit a roadblock they couldn’t figure out, and instead of trying again, they just went “well I guess this tech stuff isn’t for me.” And now that’s the attitude they fall into every time.
It’s like if someone lost their first board game, and just wrote off board games entirely because they aren’t any good at them. And any time they do need to play a board game, they can just call their favorite nephew to play it for them.
Wow, so blessed to be the be the ‘board game guy’. I sure do love being dependable and perceived as not valuing my time.
Is it a nativ tizen app? So far there was a webview which is ok but it’s a webview
I love EVERYTHING there except
I can fix it, and it’s no big deal, but I provide services to friends and family who’ll need me to walk them through it.
That’s the stuff where we lose out to corporate products.
They sometimes lose things as well.
And they harrass their users in other ways, for example by randomly renaming stuff to “AI…” or even integrating with AI.
100%
Ads, selling private data, adding AI, cutting features.
I just need JF to be in the same neighborhood as the corporate stuff for security and end-user ease of use. I can do a hell of a lot of complicated stuff on my end, but walking grandma through a change is painful.
The fact that jellyfin let’s you sort your media exactly the way you want without promoting or hiding content already puts JF miles ahead any commercial streaming services. The ease of mind is unbeatable.
I absolutely hate what Plex has become. I bought a lifetime pass a long, long time ago, and ever since that purchase, they seem to have done nothing but strip features I need and force features I don’t want.
Now if we could just sort the jf collections type in ways other than by date ;)
Sounds like Good First Issue material! (;
I’ve been looking through the source. I could totally fix it, but I worry no one would appreciate my code chops :) And I think the current work on the db changes might invalidate anything I actually try.
That looks specific to jf desktop, do you have many users using that?
One too many apparently :)
I’ll survive.
On the plus side it actually plays video smoothly for me now where as before it didn’t work at all.
Just upgraded from 10.10. Seems to have gone well. Library scan still going.
E: Couldn’t finish lib scan. Reverted to 10.10.
10.11 is still a hot mess for large home media collection. Especially one with images mixed in. The team doesn’t even seem to prioritize fixing all of that before moving on building new features. Music collection are also slower and albums meta don’t load correctly anymore. I would hold off from fully converting to it if you have a large collection
I do have a large collection and I haven’t checked the music lib state yet. I have a zfs snapshot from before the upgrade so I could restore if shit hits the fan.
I honestly found it much better to create a new db for 10.11 vs migrating. Both took about the same amount of time but the fresh db has no issues and the migrated db has some hiccups like you described (and some others). Main downside is you lose watch status
SWIM has a sizable aged library - wouldn’t be surprising with sqlite db corruptions by now - and absolutely no issues smoothly upgrading amd migrating to 10.11. Had sweaty upgrades a few times over the years but this was not one of them.
Honestly it’s a testament to the devs that it mainly worked for most people as well as it did.
Like kudos to them. That was a huge, huge migration to a different library/format and they pulled it off.
For me it was far too hungry on CPU at “idle”.
I got an issue that it keeps my servers hdd awake even when not in use. Hope they can fix that soon.
We were using Jellyfin to watch old episodes of Sherlock Holmes last night, during a break we switched over to playing a few songs I had thrown on there. The interface for movies and shows seems great but my spouse asked me, “why is there a shuffle option for shows?” To which I said idk, maybe if someone watches something like family guy it doesn’t matter. But then when we were under my music section, I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to use shuffle. It was probably user error, but it seemed strange
Which client were you using? Android? Roku? etc.
I run the server from Mint, play from Roku client. I have a copyparty server set up on that mint sever as well, and we resorted to pulling up the website and having a 80s competition, trying to top the other but not by much so we didn’t go to what we thought would be the best song right aways, which we played from our phones so the other could scroll and look. Hers Samsung, mine Motorola, so both android.
Edit: Just checked the Android app for jellyfin. It appears we jumped from jellyfin to copyparty to early, the jellyfin app has the shuffle button.
At least we still made it fun
Looks like when you’re in a “mixed Playlist”, whatever that means, the shuffle and loop buttons are removed from the interface of the audio player (AudioPlayerView.bs:148-159). I’m not sure why that is, but it seems like it’s deliberate.
Yeah, apparently it’s top/center for Android and web based, and not present for Roku. But thank you for that information. The other person who responded made me investigate. So I need to find the person earlier who said they program the Roku one, and suggest shuffle for entire music playlist., also make a donation lol
A mixed playlist is a playlist of mixed media. Movies, shows, audio, etc. all mixed together in a single playlist.
10.11 first library scan will take AGES because of the new db changes or something. My library is huge (~100tb of media) and it took days. Subsequent scans are much faster, like 10-12 minutes on 10th gen Xeon (roughly i5 equivalent) for a full library scan.
Fucking hell. OK, I’ll upgrade again and wait longer. Mine’s ~15TB.
Do you have music? I don’t know this for sure but I also wonder if music collections slow things down. My music collection is pretty massive (like 40% of my storage) and it’s a shitload of files to index.
Thankfully I don’t put my books in jellyfin because my ebook/manga library is also pretty massive. If the apocalypse occurs I’m set for the 2-3 days I’d have power after the end of times
I do. It could be this:
From the release notes.
The last messages in the log are from music lib scanning. I’m leaving it be for now.
Interesting. I will say music is the weakest point of jellyfin db. Mine is currently good but I nuked my db for the new db style in 10.11 and created a new db, mainly bc of issues within music library. But this went back to like 10.9 and were probably from me fucking around in the db manually to try and override tags. I’ve since retagged my music as it was just the easier solution (artist ft artist got me all fucked up, I hated having 900 entries for like 1 artist who did frequent collabs)
github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/15070
This is the issue thread re the very long scanning after upgrading to 10.11
Edit: also one thing I learned from the db editing and again from the 10.11 migration is that the jellyfin db can get “stuck” in such a way that nothing I can find will overwrite db entries, even manually opening the db in an sql editor (which makes me think there are hard to find tables I could never track down but db stuff is not my forte so I dunno)
My god what a shit show.
It’s all normal though. Software development is hard and big changes mean more regressions. You do the changes when needed, then you work on squashing the bugs.
Library scan still going here. At least something is spinning because one CPU thread is pegged to 100%.
Oh right! In admin console under server>general at the bottom there is a section called “performance”. Under this the first entry is “parallel library scan tasks limit”. Increasing this can significantly improve performance here. If it’s empty it is auto selecting. To that point if you’re running jellyfin in a docker and only allow it access to one core that would seriously limit performance here. Screenshot below, I currently have it set to 2 because I’ve done the “big” scan and I don’t need my cpu hammered when jellyfin does library scans
Additionally an issue I ran into later: under playback>transcoding enable hardware transcoding must be checked. Trickplay task was taking literal months because even though I had configured igpu transcoding correctly this has to be enabled separately. UX stuff like this is where jellyfin needs more polish; I’m sure there’s debate about this but why would this not default to on once transcoding is enabled? Who knows. Maybe just oversight.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/96b72f41-c93a-4719-9985-df25a7ce648d.webp">
Good note.
I seem to be suffering from this issue. Lotsa spam in the logs and the scan job doesn’t seem to be moving. The next attempt would be, revert, disable music lib and upgrade. Then deal with the music lib separately. But I’ll let it run another 12-24 hours.
Wow.
Ok, I don’t have anywhere near that amount of media, but MythTV takes seconds to rescan ~2TB of videos and maybe a minute to get any missing details like fanart, etc.
Similar amount for music - but I feed it the files after I’ve run them through Picard.
I’ve not done a complete rescan of eveything for ages, but from memory it’s like an hour absolute tops. More like ~30 mins.
And that’s on an underclocked CPU (for quietness).
I found the link
“Library scans are expected to take (way) longer in 10.11 because we are now a) properly validating all existing data and b) properly applying concurrency limits. Usually only the first scan after the upgrade takes significantly longer because it will fix some data inconsistencies we can not repair while doing the initial migrations. Any subsequent scan should be faster but if you add a lot of new files it will still take longer than before because of the concurrency limit.”
github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/15070
From the thread for people with more realistic media libraries like yours (5-20tb) the initial scan is more like a few hours. However, if you’re like me and hoard shit expect it to potentially take days
Thanks for this. Good to know! I haven’t taken the leap yet. I’ll plan the upgrade when we will be on vacation…
Anyone got pictures?
ahhh I’ve been waiting for a new layout, too bad i probably won’t get to use it since they won’t fix the bug/feature that keeps the pc awake and screen on with a black image after an episode finishes (when autoplay off). will be forever stuck in player 1.9.1.
I don’t understand why they put so much effort into clients, when the server is still missing so many QoL features. I wish they would finally focus on those, or else I have no reason to move away from Plex.
I put my time and effort into the Roku client because I’m not a C# programmer.
And I greatly appreciate it! My wife and I are thrilled with the latest-ish changes (my server was out of commission basically all of last year)
🤘Enjoy
Doing the Lord’s work. BrightScript seems to exist only as a way to torment those of lesser constitution.
Once you get into it, it’s not that bad.
I liken it to the love child of Classic ASP and JavaScript.
🤔 …ok, maybe it is that bad.
Sir, I posted elsewhere and it appears your expertice may help my experience. Android/web allows shuffle at the top for music. Roku only offers me shuffle in shows. Is there a way I can enable it in music and/or is there somewhere I could donate something small to your time to add a shuffle button to roku’s music client?
Edit: it’s very possible maybe I have my server or client settings set up wrong.
This is what I see on Android for the client under music
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fed737d2-3f06-4b35-9e20-754978dea179.jpeg">
Want to shuffle play your entire music library?
On the home screen, move the cursor over the music library and press PLAY on your remote. It’ll play 2000 random songs.
What to shuffle play all songs by an artist?
Go to your music library and switch to one of the Artist views. Find the artist you want and press PLAY on your remote. It’ll play their songs in random order.
What to shuffle play a single album?
Go to your music library and switch to “Albums” view. Find the album you want and press * on your remote. Choose “Shuffle Play Album”
You can also do this with any album listed on the home screen.
Or, in the upcoming 3.1.0 release, I’ve added a Shuffle Play button as part of the redesign of the album screen. <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/dd0a37e3-6793-4344-913e-4f95e8105732.jpeg">
If you feel so inclined, donation links are at the top of my GH profile: github.com/1hitsong but money isn’t why I do this.
Very exiting. I’m looking forward to the day I can finally ditch Plex
I changed to jellyfin a couple of weeks ago, and my wife and I both prefer jellyfin, by far. It’s quicker and just looks better. We only use it for streaming local content, never used any other Plex features.
Android TV / Chromecast: subtitles are broken since November for external players. Literally stopped watching my shows.
This is why I don’t update unless absolutely necessary. I’m only running a local instance so it is less of a security issue. Once I land on a working version, I’m gonna go ahead and stick with that as long as I can.
I found 2 major issues on subtitle for external played,
Because of this, now I use built in player until it’s solved
I will say that the 10.11 update for me was a freaking nightmare with so different types of failures.
I’m still waiting the ability to remove seasons without deleting the media, especially since I now have ton’s of duplicate season_xxxx seasons from the major version update, mucking up most of my seasons that I didn’t have before.
Oh and chromecasting on the app is still a giant mess.
Still great to hear they’re making progress.
Really with they would take security vulnerabilities seriously 😞
Because they are significant, and broad reaching.