Quitting Spotify for Navidrome
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from lukecyca@lemmy.ca to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 30 Nov 16:29
https://lemmy.ca/post/56074586
from lukecyca@lemmy.ca to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 30 Nov 16:29
https://lemmy.ca/post/56074586
I rediscovered the joy of my own music collection by quitting Spotify and switching to self-hosted Navidrome.
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I chose Navidrome for my music collection. I basically use it when I’m outside working around the property. Put on my raggedy ass pair of Beats, I found in the thrift store for $5…had to do some repairs but they work, on a defunct old phone just for the wifi access. When I’m inside tho, I use Music Bee. Navadrome has everything I need, tho I am still searching for a mobile app that operates like I want it too. The app I’m currently using, Agin Music, is good, but there are a couple places in the operation flow that won’t let me backtrack to the previous page I was viewing. I’ll keep testing until I find one.
Android or iOS?
On android I found symphonium to be a great app to use with my navidrome server. On iOS, play:sub was the best experience I found
Second for Symphonium. Hands-down best *sonic client.
Same dev makes a good kodi remote called Yatze too.
Same feedback here. Works well with Navidrone
I’ll check out ply:sub. Thank you for the recommendation.
yeah for iOS ply:sub is the way to go. my friends and family who use my Navidrome server and have iphones all use ply:sub. Android friends use Symfonium.
If you’re doing a search, it’s play:sub. Here is the link on iOS. apps.apple.com/us/app/…/id955329386
Also, it’s a fantastic app and I use it every day.
I found it, however… it’s $5, which I don’t mind paying for software, then it says ‘in app purchases’. So my question is what are the ‘in app purchases’ after I lay down my $5? It does seem to have a lot of bells and whistles others don’t have.
The “in-app purchase” is a donation page where you can donate extra to the developer if you want to. It’s 100% voluntary and doesn’t unlock any extra or additional features. I’ve never donated anything beyond the $5 purchase price.
Sweet! Thanks
fyi you can check what the in-app purchases are on the appstore page. just scroll to the bottom tap on the little arrow next to in-app purchases
I’m a dumbass sometimes. LOL
that makes us two lol. i remember finding that information at the bottom, but not the little arrow to actually see what could be purchased. i always thought it was weird that the info showed up twice. or they added the arrow later and i‘m gaslighting myself lol
Sorry, typo. It’s Play:sub
Symphonium requires google play, right?
Unfortunately, yes
Nope. You can buy an infinite trial via the developers ko-fi!
There’s info about it on the symfonium forum.
I’ll rephrase lol it’s per device, so any issue or reflash means you have to contact?
Yeah, you will have to send the dev the new trial ID for a re-activation.
That’s also why it’s costs more, because it’s more manual work for him.
It’s a chore, but really cool by the dev to offer it as an option for people with de-googled devices.
Thanks! I agree that its cool of him to offer that, just a bit painful on all sides 🙂
Arpeggi on iOS is the best I’ve found. Available via TestFlight invite only. I plan to switch to Android in the next year, so I’m always interested to hear what clients people like over there too.
Symfonium is great, and in its current state, probably the best Subsonic client for android. (Tempus is good enough for me though.) But best of luck if you ever have a nontrivial issue and ask the dev for help. That’s one abrasive mf. (Just take a look here. It’s hard to find anyone so full of themselves.)
That said, if it works for your needs, it’s a great app. I won’t judge anyone for using it, but I’m someone who can’t and won’t separate the art from its artist. If that applies to you, you’ve been warned.
On Android, you should try out Tempus.
DSub2000 is also fairly nice for Android.
Tempo, Subtracks or Ultrasonic. All 3 on F-droid. You might find what you need there
I also just started the process of migrating to a self hosted music server. I’m using navidrome, but a big feature I want is being able to easily add custom tags to songs that I can later use to search and filter for what I want. Navidrome will only open your library in read-only, which is a smart security measure, but means it cant support this. I’m going to try Koel next and see how that goes.
Are you sure that’s not just the default in the example
docker-compose.yml? If there isn’t some additional handling, you can just remove the “:ro” from:volumes: - "/path/to/your/music/folder:/music:ro"Its a design choice of Navidrome: https://www.navidrome.org/docs/faq/#-how-can-i-edit-my-music-metadata-id3-tags-how-can-i-renamemove-my-files
I know there is a lot about Plex to hate, but I am always grateful for Plexamp. It requires a Plex pass, but it’s worth it for Plexamp alone imo.
Too bad it’s unusable if you’re like me and have huge playlists that you want to offline for shuffling due to spending long stretches of time without an Internet connection.
When I asked about this limitation, I was told that it was stupid to have such big playlists and needing to offline them because nobody is without Internet for long enough times for it to matter.
Great response from the developers that.
Yeah…all these companies try to sell you a solution to your problems…but it always involves giving them control over how you use your own products.
Jellyfin doesn’t have something comparable in the dedicated (OSS) world, but Symfonium takes a Jellyfin connection and is hands down the single best music player I have ever encountered on any platform.
Doesn’t finamp provide music player features?
I wish jellyfin would support downloading music out of the box.
Oh, sorry, I did not mean to imply that there re no players (there are, e.g. Finamp), just nowhere near the same level of polish, features and stability.
My experience with self-hosted apps on my phone are limited. I’ve never used Plex so I never used it’s mobile app.
So thank you for the clarification.
Finamp is the official iOS Jellyfin music player. If only the would publish the latest beta version to the App Store! Apparently it’s so much better than the current release, but I refuse to sign up for test flight and the associated Apple terms.
They both suck pretty bad
Finamp certainly needs some work but it’s far better than the native Jellyfin application, at least for iOS/iPadOS, I can now listen to music in the background.
Hell the Finamp contributors took my suggestion on a way to sort playlists and actually implemented it so I gotta say much props to them.
You’re right about that.
I do sometimes miss PlexAmp, but the native Emby application for music on iOS is pretty decent. Just kinda wish it was decoupled from the main app.
Can’t crossfade, developers won’t add the features the server doesn’t support it. I get a random crashes at least once a session. Search sucks because I don’t feel like wiring up elastic. Doesn’t stream large lists, browse to P? With 5000 artists and 20K tracks? Forever.
The beta is a little smoother but doesn’t address any of my issues with it.
Symphonium is 100 times better, never crashes, solves lists/streaming by downloading the lists and handling them locally.
I’d love to try symfonium but I am on iOS.
I mean, if you’re paying for something anyway, Navidrome + Symfonium is (to me) a better option.
Plexamp also lets you stream it outside your network and share it with friends, no vpn etc needed.
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Did you check the server logs? Should be able to see pretty quickly what it was doing.
I started with Navidrome, then looked at the disk space occupied by my library and it occured to me that 1TB MicroSD cards are a thing now, and I can listen to all my library offline.
A few years ago, I set up a home-server with music and some pictures on there, and recently I noticed that my storage disk was getting full. Then I saw that the disk only had 16 GB and wondered, where the hell I got that small of a disk from.
So, I go to plug in a bigger disk and can’t even find the original disk at first. Turns out my whole storage capacity was one of these bad boys:
Spoiler
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And yeah, I’ve got about 1800 songs, clocking in at 5.8 GB, so even that tiny storage would easily be enough for a much larger collection.
And I do also have them replicated on my phone, for listening on the go. (Don’t even need an SD card in my case.)
Haha, server grade hardware. Impressive, actually, that it survived so many years. I have a similar one in my car and it’s 10+ years old and works okay, but another one that’s permanently sticked in my server with an emergency boot image died when it was needed the most.
Really feeling this, the first paragraph could’ve written by me and I switched to Navidrome as well some months ago.
Btw, your RSS feed seems to be broken:
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Presumably, that ampersand needs to be replaced with
&…Thanks for your comments! I’ve fixed the RSS file now I think.
I use jellyfin for music. Some of the third party apps are nice. I can even stream it to Jellyfin app on Android Audio from my server while I’m driving, which is crazy to me.
I don’t normally use Jellyfin for music but I do like that some subsonic clients like supersonic are supporting Jellyfin as an alternative, so if navidrome breaks for some reason I can just change over quickly.
I have no idea about Navidrome, but I completely agree with the gist of this article. Actively choose the music you listen to. When the music you’ve chosen has run out, if you’re not motivated to make another choice, let the music stop and enjoy quiet for a while.
I migrated from Apple Music to Qobuz as part of my dropping of US services.
It’s very much playlist and release based which is great for both curation and discovery. At least I’ve found myself discovering more music from their playlists, which are often curated by musicians.
They do have a “for you” list but for whatever reason only show it on mobile, and it’s not my favourite algorithm.
I think that’s also a setting for Spotify tho.
How many people do it
I used to be a very engaged music listener. I loved it and would put effort into listening to albums start to finish. When Spotify took over, my habits changed and now I don’t really actively follow music or pay much attention to what I’m listening to.
Interesting. I’ve always been a full-album kind of listener, never do I not listen to a full album if I’m listening to music. Even after having been on Spotify for a decade or so. I wonder what changed for you but not for me.
I disagree.
I don’t necessarily know about new music, artists, or genres. I want to get a mixture of stuff I haven’t encountered.
Something like 60% of the music I listen to in a given month I had never heard of 12 months prior. I’ve found so much music that I vibe with by way of generated playlists.
Discovering something new that scratches my music itch is in itself a pleasure for me, and I can go back to it at a later date, like everything else.
This doesn’t mean I support Spotify, but it does mean I disagree with your stance.
can’t relate
i find new awesome music all the time, i only found i loved hardstyle 8 years ago, techno 5 years ago, vaporwave like a year ago
if you want to make it harder for yourself to discover new music then cool, but don’t imply that because you used spotify as a sort of cafe jazz background radio that we all use it like this
Agree, but this is why I do both. Sometimes I listen to my local stuff and having a great time because it’s more refined
This is the main thing I want out of music software tbh.
I’ve been using Navidrome for a few months now. I also use Amplify on my iphone to stream using native controls which I find very useful.
I am actually in the process of setting up my own navidrome server on my proxmox host running on my old desktop hardware.
I was initially inspired by the following post and am very excited to get rid of Spotify.
https://lemmy.zip/post/47959947
syncthing+musicolet(android) and cmus(linux) works lile a charm
I recently set up a Navidrome/Lidarr setup and I’m beyond thrilled. Works great. I also recommend Symfonium app on android, it’s paid, but it’s worth it for the quality. On desktop, I’m trying out strawberry, but I find it a bit clunky, so I will probably try out other players. Use beet to download and ebmbed lyrics, and my music has never been better. I immediately ditched Spotify and haven’t looked back.
Check Feishin. It works great with both Jellyfin and Navidrome.
I don’t know why so many people think you have to do one or the other, that you can’t host your own and use spotify.
No matter how much you might hate Spotify from an ideological point of view, you cannot deny its amazing music discovery ability.
I use Spotify as a way to find what to add to my collection, which I then stream using Plexamp when it makes more sense than just using Spotify - which isn’t very often tbh, only really when license issues prevent an album being in my country on Spotify. I can share my plex music library with friends and family though.
Neat! As someone who never had that much luck with Spotify’s recommendations, this is part of what worked for me.
When I want a specific mood or even artist for music I own, I use navidrome.
To expand that collection I use bandcamp (and bandcamp Fridays).
To discover new stuff, I rely on recommendations from friends or go wide with sources like NTS radio or similar.