Non-US cloud storage for backup?
from BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 16:21
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from BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 08 Feb 16:21
https://sh.itjust.works/post/54973211
Looking for non-US cloud storage. The more paranoid the better!
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As the prices widely varry by storage size, you may want to add a size estimate, but i can say that anything above a couple tb is probably more expansive than finding a selhosted solution.
Then don’t go to the cloud! (or use encrypted storage if you really have to)
My view: Unless I can access the hardware 24/7/365 the data isn’t mine for ‘they’ can deny me access to my data anytime while they keep full access. (hence store it decryped)
A hard drive in a PO Box; data encrypted. Retrieve it occasionally to sync it with your local storage.
Or family.
This is good, if they:
Luckily I have a family member that fits one of those categories.
I completely get the paranoia component of needing to control all factors involved. I have that too regarding my data. But at some point trust is needed.
PO boxes can burn down. The power grid can fry everything. Even the backup as soon as you plug it in. The government can create a kind of gestapo and let them loose and you won’t have the right to run a server anyways (uh?). Etc…
Can uploads to Proton Drive be automated?
I don’t think so for now unfortunately. You can still ask the team to see if they plan to add it
I can recommend Hetzner Storage Boxes. The company is located in Germany, but you can choose server locations in Germany and in Finland. You can set it up with Rclone’s Crypt feature to encrypt all your files.
TIL rclone can encrypt. Storage box also supports borg if someone prefers. Borg is cool. It also deduplicates the archive saving a lot of space.
+1 for Hetzner
I’m using restic to encrypt my files (content + filenames)
Same setup here, Hetzner/Rclone with enc. Script runs daily on the NAS to beam everything up. Very happy.
Make at least one offline copy of what you need to decrypt and keep separate though. An inaccessible encrypted backup is no backup at all.
I’ve been using Hetzner boxes for my backups, although I did need to send them a copy of my id, which may or may not fit the paranoia thing.
Of course, encryption is always worth it.
They never asked me for that (UK here). Was up and running with just the basics in minutes. Are you on a list? 😅
They do have a waiting/payment cycle period on their server offering before they’ll open mail ports. Once you qualify, you still need to raise a ticket to ask. That was a bit annoying as my new ISP is stricter with the ports than prior, meaning I had to wait before my relay workaround could send mail.
https://filen.io
Not pricey, e2ee clients, open source, servers in Germany, 10gb free tier to try them out. Been using them for a few years now. The clients used to be a bit crap but they’re very good now.
I haven’t found how to connect Filen’s S3 to BackRest… the only thing keeping me from using the 110 Go I have with them to double backup my local backup on another drive.
+1
Hit me up, if you figure it out!
I use filen and koofr
Why both? Any preference?
Diff,country ,extra layer for security ,no preference
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if this is for privacy i’d just use the cheapest/fastest option that supports rclone and use its encrypted upload feature.
This. Assuming you are following the 3,2,1 schema, if the big, bad American boogie man gets it, it will be encrypted (useless), and backed up elsewhere.
Syncthing and an old android device with a big ass ssd connected
Just use client-side encryption, then it doesn’t matter where it goes
Kopia is great for this. Choose your encryption, built in support for different provider storage tyoes in the GUI to choose where to go, dedupe, folder structure scramble, etc…
But their flatpak hasn’t been updated in ages…
I know you specifically asked for non-US back up solutions, but I honestly don’t think you can beat Backblaze’s personal tier, as far as pricing. $99 per year for unlimited storage. Solid company, I’ve been using them for years. If you are encrypting your backups, and following the 3,2,1 back up schema, should Uncle Sam grab your backup, it’s pretty much useless and you still have a couple backups in hand. You can encrypt with VeraCrypt or similar, and push that up the pipe to BackBlaze.
The caveats to using BackBlaze are, whatever you are backing up, has to be connected to the PC/Server. So, no NAS although someone here mentioned a work around for that, so if you go the BackBlaze, make sure you ask here what that option is because my frail brain cannot remember what the name of it was, but apparently it works well. Other such options would be rclone, Mountain Duck, ExpanDrive, or odrive. These are unofficial softwares, and can/could lead to termination of your account. Secondly, if you’re pushing aver 10 TB to BackBlaze and you need to restore, 10 TB is going to be a bitch to do online. However, you can ‘rent’ a HDD from BackBlaze. They’ll mail it to you, you restore your data, and send the drive back for a full refund, or keep it should you wish.
I receive no compensation from BackBlaze for this recommendation.
Borg Base offers EU based server locations. They have been awesome to work with.
They also support restic if you get annoyed at borg lock issues.
And the company is based in Malta
zfs.rent
They are from the US, no?
Why
ihostart.com one of the cheapest I know.
ardrive.io for a permanent, encrypted, decentralized, blockchain based solution.
A raspberry pi hidden in a wall behind a power socket or in some always plugged in appliance like a fridge or tv at some place with wifi or a phone with a data plan connected to a portable solar charger set up on some roof or tree.
I currently use Infomaniak object storage with restic. I like it since it’s Openstack and if they ever go to shit I can easily switch to another Openstack provider. OVH is also one I have used in the past.
pCloud is pretty good, and there is an option for an EU server. It doesn’t have a Linux client though, so now I use Jottacloud, which is hosted in Norway and has a (CLI) Linux client that works quite well! I also have a locally hosted Nextcloud instance as another backup. More backups is always good!
pCloud has a Linux client. Both GUI and CLI. But I personally use rclone for all cloud services. It is often even more reliable and offers better performance than official clients. It also allows managing multiple cloud services from the same place. It supports client-side encryption as well.
Are you using rclone for nextcloud? I really wish they implement VFS at some point! This is the only thing I am missing from my windows days as the daily driver.
I no longer use Nextcloud. I use rclone with the smb remote for my NAS.
Does it? I wasn’t able to find it, but if that’s true, that’s pretty cool! Rclone seems like a neat tool for backups, very cool
What about hetzner storeagebox? www.hetzner.com/de/storage/storage-box/ with client side encryption ? It’s cheap and reliable, supports all common file transfer methods - the encryption can and likely should anyway be done by your preferred backup tool?
I can also recommend the object storage from hetzner for backups. Quite price competitive.
I would like to second this. Me personally I am pretty happy with using a storage Box as one of the Backup locations. It is on the pricier end, so I only use it for backup of certain file types (e.g. not for storing video backups or Disk images)
Others have suggested: encrypt data on your side and you don’t need to worry about where you store it. Cryptomator is a good option.
As for storage, the feedback on Hetzner boxes seems to be good and i’m happy with mega.
I used to use B2 before the whole CEO financial issues came out (not another one accused of something unsavoury) and wasn’t sure how it’s going to pan out. I switched to a cheaper (per GB) Hetzner storage box and am super happy with it
I use restic, specifically github.com/garethgeorge/backrest for making backups and uploading them via rclone.
Can you link something about the Backblaze CEO? I’m not finding anything.
It was some dodgy accounting accusations/reveals arstechnica.com/…/backblaze-responds-to-claims-of…
For me it was an excuse to try something new and cover my ass just in case this didn’t pan out. But overall it looks to have blown over
theregister.com/…/backblaze_sham_accounting_claim…
Not saying that the Morpheus report isn’t true, but that’s a pretty damning conflict of interest.
@bitwyze @portnull Yeah regardless of accuracy....it really looks like let's tank the stock and make out like a bandit.
alwyzon storage server in Viennese data center
Syncthing for synchronization between devices, then rsync to a couple of flash drives for cold backup.
The setup is so easy, you don’t even need a server for this, just your ordinary PC.
There is no more paranoid solution than owning your files on the devices you own as well, so you never have to trust the third party.
Additionally, clunky all-in-one self-hosted solutions like Nextcloud bind you to their ecosystem, so it may be hard for you to switch to another one.
Just a plain file backup to your own storage will always be a savior for your lost data, regardless of third party apps or infrastructure.
If all your backups are near you, a flood or fire (or even break in) can still cost you all your data. At least one copy should be off-site.