Proxmox Datacenter Manager - First Alpha Release
(proxmox.com)
from monty33@lemmy.ml to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 19 Dec 17:07
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from monty33@lemmy.ml to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 19 Dec 17:07
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Good to see proxmox adding a vsphere style interface. It should help adoption in the enterprise, especially as broadcom continues to turbo fuck vmware.
I really like the project and have been happily running it on my home lab for quite a while. But for enterprise their pricing for enterprise use is not really cheap either. 510€/socket/year is way more than the previous vmware deal we’re running. Apparently broadcom has changed their pricing to per core which is just lunatic (it would practically add up to millions per month on our environment), so it’s interesting to see what’s going to happen when our licenses expire.
You must have had a real sweetheart deal on VMware then. Proxmox is cheaper than VMware even under the old pricing. You also don’t have to buy the “Standard” subscription. There are cheaper ones.
Not just per core, but with a core minimum. We had some edge servers that are low power hosts that we now pay 5x on because of the core minimum.
Our main vmware license is still under the old pricing due to lock in, but that expires in a few years. We will be moving off vmwaew, and by then hopefully improvements like this bring proxmox into the competition.
Neat! No docker image, surprising, but they still don’t like Docker over there, may try to spin one up later today.
What the hell are they storing that needs over 8GB?!
Have you ever installed VCSA? The storage requirements for even the tiny install are insane. So 8gb seems tiny comparatively. I think the default for VCSA 8.0 is like 600 GB
I don’t think “some other guys need 600GB!” is a good answer to why this needs to be 8GB
How does this differ from joining nodes to a cluster? I kinda figured a cluster was their (kinda janky) alternative to VCSA.
Multiple clusters. You dont necessarily want all your nodes on a single cluster, and in the enterprise you often don’t.
And if you’re a cloud service provider, you want to be able to separate your tenants, but still manage all of them.
After dealing with clusters before I don’t want any of my machines in clusters.
I wouldn’t be able to function with that level of risk
For us it was more of a liability than anything. We didn’t use any of the high availability features, and every time we needed to remove and readd a host it was a massive pain in the ass and usually broke more things. It was nice for migrating VMs around, but we don’t do that all THAT often.
I’m curious if this datacenter will handle our shitty hosts spontaneously dying and needing to be rebuilt better.
HA is pretty much the point - and I can’t see any enterprise running without it. Maybe small, but nothing mid or large size. A sector Proxmox can get into at least in small scale (seeing this now actually), and grow.
This seems like a PEBCAK issue. This isn’t going to help anything if you aren’t even using clusters.
I think this is really great! I personally run a cluster at home and another offsite for backups. Would be really great to manage them under a single UI.
Wow, this might be convenient. I’ve been testing out xcp-ng with xen orchestra for a while now to deal with servers in multiple data centers. I like proxmox better though, so maybe this will be a good alternative.