what is good remote desktop software?
from abbadon420@sh.itjust.works to selfhosted@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 09:36
https://sh.itjust.works/post/54507965

I have an old pc on which I run jellyfin and some other stuff. It’s only connected through lan. I used to use window’s remotedesktop to connect to it, but that stopped working.

Now I’m looking for a good remote desktop. Because it s tucked away in a corner, fysical acces to it is cumbersome.

My server runs mint with xfce. My laptop runs windows 11, because of work reasons.

I’m inclined to use something like anydesk, but I’m unsure how to trust that company.

Edit: I got rustdesk up and running and it’s a good solution for my usecase. Thanks for all the tips and suggestions.

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allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone on 01 Feb 09:39 next collapse

vnc? TightVNC is open source i think.

allriledup@piefed.blahaj.zone on 01 Feb 09:40 collapse

Also, you could ssh to it instead of remote desktop. just a thought :)

originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com on 01 Feb 09:39 next collapse

vnc

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 09:48 next collapse

I use RustDesk because it’s good enough. It may not work for everything, but it is open source and has suited my needs.

I have it launch on boot in Mint and it works fine

MoonRaven@feddit.nl on 01 Feb 10:29 next collapse

Agreed and you can self host the backend if you want.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 10:35 collapse

Yeah I suppose I should have said what I’ve used it for but I think I’ve only really used it for Android, Linux, and I think I may have put it on Windows once, not sure. Overall I run into few circumstances I’ve ever needed to go the machine, usually it’s tied to bios/driver issues on the laptop I use for a server, not Rust issues

Lemmchen@feddit.org on 01 Feb 11:05 next collapse

+1 for RustDesk. Basically open-source de-shittified TeamViewer.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 11:15 collapse

Exactly how I found it. Looking for open-source TeamViewer essentially.

Works very well for the tasks I throw at it. Hosting it yourself is easy as well

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 11:44 next collapse

RustDesk really is fantastic. No shade to any of the other solutions suggested in this thread, but 99% of the time when someone needs remote desktop access, RustDesk is exactly what they need.

Mihies@programming.dev on 01 Feb 11:50 collapse

But does it allow login on machine and multi monitors like RDP does? These are two features I can’t live without (at least the former).

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 12:01 next collapse

May I ask a bit more?

Can you launch on system start up as opposed to user, yes in my experience.

Can you login when the user has not yet been logged in, yes in my experience so long as the program is launched by the system as a service and not a user login option.

If the machine has multiple monitors, you may need to test, as I standardly use a phone (android) to remote to my desktop/laptop seveer environments where I can individually choose a monitor if they have more than 1 I believe, but having one screen on the phone, I don’t view both at the same time… nor would it be convenient…

It’s a free 2 minute try it out really. The uninstall if you don’t like. If you really like it maybe consider hosting your own. But otherwise you can use it from their severs for free and it will remember your recent connections and passwords if you want on your local device…

I feel like a salesperson for a free product lol

Edit: I realized I asked no questions, did that answer yours?

Mihies@programming.dev on 01 Feb 18:14 collapse

Got it for login, makes sense, but not sure whether multimon really works. I mean when the server doesn’t have physical monitors attached. I know I could do the install-try, but if anybody has experience it’s even easier. So experience is appreciated.

ShortN0te@lemmy.ml on 01 Feb 13:25 collapse

It actually does both. Not really tested the multimonitor features but its there and it works, not sure if to the same degree as in rdp.

yamper@piefed.social on 01 Feb 10:02 next collapse

if you can afford the hardware, getting something dedicated like a JetKVM is nice because you don’t have to wait for VNC software to boot. since it acts like a monitor and keyboard, you can even enter BIOS with it. JetKVM sells an extension board that you could hook up to your server motherboard’s power buttons to turn it on/off too.

for fully software solutions, i like using apollo on the server and moonlight on the clients. it’s built for game streaming, but it works for remote desktop too. i have apollo and moonlight installed on a bunch of my devices anyways so this saves me from installing an additional client most of the time.

nodiratime@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 11:23 collapse

There is also input-leap, if a monitor is present.

On the server/remote side, x2go is also worth a mention.

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 01 Feb 10:08 next collapse

You sure you can’t do what you need from bash/ssh?

If you only need ssh, anything can be terminal as everything has a ssh client.

vividspecter@aussie.zone on 01 Feb 10:16 next collapse

Sunshine and moonlight. Or just ssh if it’s for administrative tasks.

eli@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 10:41 next collapse

Install Tailscale on all devices.

Then ssh into whatever you need.

If you need desktop remote access the Windows RDP should work for Windows to Windows machines.

For Linux host to Windows client I’ve had good experiences with Remmina Desktop.

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 01 Feb 10:59 next collapse

Tailscale is american. There are European alternatives like netbird.io or self hosted headscale.

Decipher0771@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 11:13 next collapse

Last I checked Tailscale is Canadian actually….but maybe they got bought out somewhere??

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 01 Feb 11:29 collapse

Didn’t know that, I always read it was American.

Sorry Canadians - my apologies.

dudesss@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 11:16 collapse

That’s misinformation. Tailscale is Canadian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailscale

comrade_twisty@feddit.org on 01 Feb 11:28 collapse

My bad, sorry Canadians!

I just read a thread on hackernews where a bunch of Europeans where switching to netbird because of migration away from US tech, so I guess that was a mistake on their part.

dudesss@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 11:56 collapse

The Hackernews company gets shit on a lot by Lemmy and Reddit. From my understanding, they have a lot of bad people who run the company.

I would just use Lemmy and Reddit instead.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 12:30 collapse

I hate having to continuously point this out, but DO NOT DO THIS unless you have a deeper understanding of networking.

“Just installing Tailscale” without proper configuration of the default routes is going to cause all kinds of routing inefficiencies and loopbacks in your internal network that is absolutely unnecessary, especially for what OP asking for.

This is just bad advice.

dudesss@lemmy.ca on 01 Feb 11:18 next collapse

Edited, thanks @Björn:

Whatever destination computer you’re looking to connect to, install Sunshine.

Then on the source computer, use Moonlight to connect to the destination.

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 01 Feb 14:05 collapse

Other way around. Sunshine is the server, Moonlight is the client.

rtxn@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 11:43 next collapse

I’ve had good experiences with Rustdesk. The client is open-source and the no-cost server components (ID and Relay servers) are self-hostable. The remote server works on X11 and Windows. I use this script to run XFCE+Rustdesk in a headless session:

export SERVERNUM=69
export SCREEN_SIZE='-screen 0 2560x1440x24'
export DISPLAY=":${SERVERNUM}"
export XDG_SESSION_TYPE=x11

xvfb-run --server-num="${SERVERNUM}" --server-args "${SCREEN_SIZE}" startxfce4 & disown
sleep 1
flatpak run com.rustdesk.RustDesk & disown

Sunshine + Moonlight is also a good choice. I have Sunshine installed on a box at home and use Tailscale to connect to it from the Moonlight client. At 1440p 60 FPS it has no visible compression artifacts and responsive enough for gaming.

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 11:48 next collapse

At work we use Meshcentral. It requires you to host your own server, but it’s very powerful, and very reliable. We’re managing something like 400 remote systems with it currently. We also use Netbird as a secondary access layer (I prefer it to Tailscale for the simplicity of setting up ACLs, and the really easy deployment).

For most home server usage though, I wouldn’t bother with Meshcentral. It’s a lot of overhead if you’re only managing a couple of systems. If you really need remote desktop (why do your servers even have desktops?) use RustDesk instead.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 12:35 next collapse

If you’re not comfortable using SSH, each Linux DE comes with its own RDP setup, so refer to the docs of whichever you’re running to set that up if you want things to be super simple.

Past that, there’s tons of stuff, but I would generally avoid VNC these days because it’s pretty much a dead protocol that is insecure and inefficient.

Some people prefer to use RDP compatible tools, some people just use Moonlight. You can use whatever is comfortable for you, really. I would avoid all the suggestions that are telling you to install the giant constructs like Mesh Central though. That’s overkill for just two machines here.

rozodru@piefed.social on 01 Feb 12:42 next collapse

I use freerdp. it’s simple, works well, just use it via the terminal. I have it alias’d so I don’t even have to think about it.

nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de on 01 Feb 13:06 next collapse

Sunshine and Moonlight.

It is made for gaming, but can be used for remote desktop. I use it when my laptop cannot handle a Blender scene and I want to use my desktop. It also works good with Headscale (or Tailscale if you use that). You can enable end to end encryption too.

If you want a direct replacement for Anydesk, check out Rustdesk. It is FOSS, but does not have good reputation.

aksdb@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 14:14 next collapse

Where does rustdesk not have a good reputation? I see it being recommended regularly and also use it myself heavily. Never had issues or heard about issues (that I would attribute to reputation).

Arkhive@piefed.blahaj.zone on 01 Feb 14:40 collapse

Something something something China bad. It’s a bit overblown, but there was some drama about the dev earlier in its lifespan. I think something to do with not all of its code being open source? Like the official servers were running a closed version or something. I’m definitely butchering the information. It’s good software and works as intended.

I personally use Sunshine and Moonlight, but not because I have any particular problem with RustDesk, just couldn’t get it working well, and Sunshine also works for in house game streaming if I want.

aksdb@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 14:53 collapse

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. In the end I also use Sunshine for game streaming, but for pure remote desktop access RustDesk is far nicer, since I can also quickly move files back and forth. RDP is even nicer in that regard, where I can remote-mount local devices.

papertowels@mander.xyz on 01 Feb 15:14 collapse

Fwiw I use a fork called Apollo because it enables a headless setup

pipes@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 17:17 collapse

Sadly Windows-only last time I checked

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 13:12 next collapse

I was using realvnc but I hit the 3 free PCs quickly. I’ve since moved to nomachine and run it “locally” over tailscale.

Luckyfriend222@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 13:46 next collapse

Nomachine

Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe on 01 Feb 16:23 next collapse

I’d figure out why RDP stopped working. Sounds like something changed.

Anything else could be stymied by the same things that blocked RDP - firewall change, etc.

I’ve used other tools since before RDP even existed as Citrix Remote Desktop in the 90’s… Frankly for LAN only there’s little reason to consider anything else with Windows boxes unless you want remote management features like services, shares, etc. Even then I often just use RDP because it just works.

Edit: ah, I had it backwards, your server is Linux and your laptop is Windows.

I’d use VNC, or just ssh for most stuff.

s3rvant@lemmy.ml on 01 Feb 17:27 next collapse

Another vote for Rustdesk

I use it mostly for family tech support where MY PC is running Linux and THEY are on Windows though it works great in both directions

spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 18:58 next collapse

Nomachine with local & Wireguard access only.

I think Anydesk can be trusted as much as any company. They did notify users when a breach occurred a couple of years ago. By contrast Teamviewer was hacked and blamed their customer’s “password reuse” for years before finally admitting they had a breach. The company cannot be trusted.

I use Anydesk occasionally to help friends but never leave it running if it’s not actively in use.

hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Feb 19:02 next collapse

vnc with tailscale, i prefer this over others like moonlight since it can show non-blurry/original image, especially noticeable for text

[deleted] on 01 Feb 19:10 next collapse

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brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Feb 19:14 next collapse

RDP (the same protocol Windows Remote Desktop uses) works fine on Linux. I’d suggest investigating why that suddenly stopped working for you.

For what it’s worth Xrdp seems to work well on Linux for enabling a RDP Remote Desktop server… I suspect you are / were(?) already using Xrdp and just need to figure out why it stopped working.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 19:22 next collapse

Yes I was using xrdp, it is still installed and windows rdp can find it and connect. But once that happens, the applications crashes and shuts down…

brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Feb 22:17 collapse

That’s weird, maybe an update broke something? What I would maybe do is uninstall Xrdp (and maybe remove/rename the old config files just in case), then re-install and configure it. From there if it’s still not working try to see what’s showing up in the log files maybe.

I did notice that Xrdp requires some extra configuration to work properly with Linux Mint Cinnamon, you apparently need to create a .xsession file in the home folder of whichever user(s) you’re trying to remote into. I’m not on Linux Mint myself but maybe searching around will give you some tips e.g. this seems like a good rundown gist.github.com/…/2ab9b5d41bbaceca8471d591755a189…

EDIT: You probably already know this from using it before but for RDP on Linux you’d need to remote into a user that is not already logged in… it’s not like in Windows when you can RDP into any user regardless if they’re already logged in or not.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 01 Feb 21:16 collapse

For what it’s worth Xrdp seems to work well on Linux

Even on Wayland?

brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Feb 22:02 collapse

Yup, been using Xrdp in a Debian + GNOME Wayland setup without issue.

I’ve also used GNOME’s built in Remote Desktop (RDP) with Wayland. KDE’s own RDP should work with Wayland too but I haven’t tested that one yet.

ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca on 01 Feb 20:59 next collapse

ssh

pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip on 01 Feb 21:24 next collapse

Also ssh -X is nice.

ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca on 01 Feb 23:43 collapse

Will that still be supported with Wayland?

pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip on 01 Feb 23:56 collapse

Good question.

Seems like waypipe is needed for Wayland. docs.redhat.com/…/remotely-accessing-an-individua…

2FortGaming@lemmy.world on 02 Feb 01:31 collapse

OP is used to Windows Remote Desktop SSH is a bit far from that, but still a good option

pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip on 01 Feb 21:26 next collapse

I initially misread your question as “What good is remote desktop software?” and I thought, "look at this person, humble bragging that they are fit enough to occasionally walk across the room.

I guess now I need to go exercise.

rekabis@lemmy.ca on 02 Feb 00:23 next collapse

I like RustDesk. If you’re worried about connectivity, you can even run your own relay server.

bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 01:16 collapse

Seconded rustdesk!

sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net on 02 Feb 12:44 next collapse

Depends exactly what you're doing on that old PC.

If you just need to connect for administration and the like, VNC is decent. It's my default.

If you want to watch videos or the like, I'd definitely suggest Sunlight and Moonlight. It's a streaming remote desktop that's meant for streaming gaming, and so it's really good at video and audio.

irmadlad@lemmy.world on 02 Feb 16:16 collapse

I guess another vote for RustDesk. I use it to administer several personal computers that my friends have. They are old heads like me, but unlike me, their tech savvy is lacking. So if they have an issue, I can pop in and help in any way I can. I was using Remote Desktop Assistant for a while, but kept hearing about RustDesk so I gave it a go.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works on 02 Feb 16:54 collapse

Oh my god, you’re brilliant! I can have my parents install the rustdesk client on their pc! This is a life changer!

irmadlad@lemmy.world on 02 Feb 17:00 collapse

Um…I would not classify myself as brilliant, but yea…it works.