You lost me at "Stormtroopers" and "Precise"
from Lisk91@sh.itjust.works to starwarsmemes@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 12:23
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CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Dec 2025 12:43 next collapse

Yeah, but sand people use slug throwers.

Though there’s no canonical information about the speed of blaster bolts, they are very slow on screen. You can follow them with your naked eye.
You can’t however see or follow the slug thrower’s bullet that might even travel at super sonic speeds.
Leading a target is much easier the less time a projectile needs to reach it.

However, sand people and stormtroopers train with different weapons on different targets for different situations. So it is very possible that sand people are generally better at shooting longer ranges with high speed projectiles, taking wind speed, gravitation, coriolis effect, etc into account while stormtroopers are superior (and more precise) in hectic, close quarters situations where you have to aim and shoot quickly.

That being said, nobody checked for continuity while making the prequels anyway. And Obi-Wan is famous for talking about things “from a certain perspective.”

CannonFodder@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 13:57 next collapse

Reminder: it’s fiction. ;-)

CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Dec 2025 14:10 collapse

Yeah… So?

guy@piefed.social on 02 Dec 2025 17:01 collapse

I’ve seen storm troopers and they are absolutely shit at close range

Any range now that I think about it

CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Dec 2025 17:48 collapse

That’s why the defenders of Tantive IV held out so long I guess?

higgsboson@piefed.social on 02 Dec 2025 12:55 next collapse

ObiWan doesnt know the difference between “accurate” and “precise”

chuckleslord@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 13:03 next collapse

“The blast points are tiny as hell. Sand people’s woulda left craters in this thing”

user1234@lemmynsfw.com on 02 Dec 2025 18:18 collapse

He also probably thinks that stormtroopers are of the same caliber as clone troopers.

snooggums@piefed.world on 02 Dec 2025 13:00 next collapse

Propaganda is a hell of a thing.

justdaveisfine@piefed.social on 02 Dec 2025 13:04 next collapse

Maybe its less about literal rifle accuracy and more about Stormtroopers having better knowledge of machinery and so damaged critical components to disable the sand trawler?

Though I think the top scene was more of Obi Wan knowing the Empire was finally catching up with him and trying to relay to Luke how dire the situation was.

MontyGommo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Dec 2025 13:05 next collapse

Everyone’s in here making excuses but really it’s just not great writing / continuity

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 02 Dec 2025 16:55 next collapse

Yes…there’s many many examples of poor writing and inconsistency.

…but this is just a joke and it stretches the meaning of the ANH scene to make an inaccurate meme. In the first film the point of Obi Wans comments, in my mind, was to highlight the type of weapons used. It’s more of a “parsec” situation. He was trying to describe the actual impact of the weapon and we’re being distracted by the use of the word precise. He should have said “impact spread”, or something else that wouldn’t have made sense to viewers at the time.

lime@feddit.nu on 02 Dec 2025 22:45 collapse

the parsec thing is also meant to be a joke in the film. the script calls for guiness to react incredulously to the obvious nonsense but his reaction is very subtle on screen.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 28 Dec 10:12 collapse

yup.

Han was bullshitting them. Remember, Han is a fast talking scoundrel who runs scams on rubes.

For people who don’t know Parsec… is a unit of distance. an object 1 parsec from the sun would be an object that has a parralax angle of 1 arc second. a second of arc is the easiest to explain- it’s 1/60^th^ of a minute of arc, which is 1/60^th^ of a degree. (arc second is 1/3600^th^ of a degree.) it comes to about 3 lightyears.

It would be like saying, “I made the Chicago-NY run in less than [whatever miles]!” when talking about how fast his ship is. The distance is fixed. the kessel run is largely fixed.

lime@feddit.nu on 28 Dec 10:30 collapse

well, not anymore. it’s been backwritten into some sort of space-warping area where keeping your distance short is impressive

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 28 Dec 10:39 collapse

I ignore that. I prefer the bullshitting scoundrel, to be honest.

Maybe Han came up with that when he got called on it. lol.

Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Dec 01:31 collapse

I also agree that the fast talking Han messing with a hick kid is the better option.

However I have to at the same time admit that if you are going to make it actually hold up as something literally accurate then it is one of the best retcon jobs ever written to actually make it work.

Sadly it comes from one of the more painful old expanded universe series because Kyp Durron is one of the most insufferable overly perfect wonder kids ever written. Plus also being the books with the Sun Crusher which is fighting for the most overkill super weapon in all of Star Wars. Which is really saying something considering the huge range of super weapons through the franchise.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 30 Dec 01:55 collapse

Yeah. Sun Crusher is… uhm.

Like. Why. even? Even the Deathstar serves no real functional purpose. That’s the problem with brinksmanship, and mutually assured destruction. Eventually, you’re gonna have to grab that other guy and jump off the cliff. And now, instead of a economically productive and valuable planet, you have an asteroid field. That, sure, you can mine for minerals, but that effort is now going to cost orders of magnitude more.

And lets be honest. If the goal was to keep people too afraid to try anything, eventually some dumb kid from a dried up backwater is going to blow it up. And then you look really fucking weak.

The economic loss of entire systems, though, is just bad for business.

io@piefed.blahaj.zone on 02 Dec 2025 22:36 next collapse

thats why I’m here

dellish@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 23:07 collapse

As much as people seem to like sucking him off, George Lucas is a pretty terrible writer and director. Star Wars only became a hit due to his wife’s editing of the film; if it were left as Lucas’ original vision it would have been a fairly boring flop. I present as further evidence: The Phantom Menace. That movie objectively sucks.

Crashumbc@lemmy.world on 03 Dec 2025 01:52 collapse

Yeah I watched a YouTube video on how her and some other guy basically redid the whole movie in post. She saved that movie

TheRealKuni@piefed.social on 02 Dec 2025 13:28 next collapse

Remember, in A New Hope the stormtroopers on the Death Star are missing on purpose. They want to put up a token resistance to let the gang escape with the tracker onboard.

toynbee@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:31 next collapse

Also, misrepresenting the capabilities of indigenous people isn’t exactly unheard of in this universe or others.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 02 Dec 2025 22:57 next collapse

after all, the ultimate downfall of the imperium is underestimating the tactical prowess of fuzzy teddy bears with rocks

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 23:11 collapse

What do you mean other universes? This happened in a galaxy far far away.

Thrawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 03 Dec 2025 03:52 next collapse

I’m well aware that across most of the rest of the franchise Stormtroopers generally are bad shots.

However I argue that it is easy to view the entire original trilogy as Stormtroopers being competent. A New Hope is easy as you already pointed out that they were supposed to let them go. Plus the off screen extremely effective results against the Lars homestead and the Jawas which is both combat and effectively following the droids.

Empire Strikes Back they are extremely effective with invading the Hoth base. Luke is supposed to get to Vader so that part can be ignored. Then for the rest escaping Lando arranges a lot of surprise trouble for the troops as well as R2D2.

Then for the Ewoks I think almost everyone has it backwards. They all look at how tiny and low tech they are and draw conclusions from that. The more important thing to look at is their results. Not just the main battle but look before that.

  1. A scout (Wickket) is smart enough to make a reasonable level of basic communication with absolutely zero starting point with Leia.
  2. They successfully trap/ambush a Jedi and a Wookie and a droid with sensors. Ok yea required some stupidity on Chewies part but still incredibly impressive on the Ewoks part.
  3. They were literally planning to eat several of the heroes.
  4. The traps everywhere. They clearly didn’t make the big traps just in the day or two when the heroes showed up. That forest is an absolute death trap and miracle that the trap the heroes triggered didn’t kill them.
  5. Battle morale at large not breaking under attack from mechanized and ranged weapons.
  6. Immediate willingness to ride a speeder and a successful dismount in spite of zero clue how they work.

That is just what I can think of off the top of my head. I’m sure there is more. Honestly they are closer to facing an army of fantasy dwarfs than what people say they are like.

AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net on 03 Dec 2025 05:01 next collapse

Plus the Empire is pretty fascist, and they would definitely look at the Ewok’s and their low tech society in an especially dismissive way. Then when the Ewoks start winning, this would hit Stormtrooper morale pretty hard.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 28 Dec 09:38 collapse

There are stormtroopers, and then there are stormtroopers. The 501st legion is the best of the best. Most the riffraff were… not.

Like. Every planet probably had to source storm troopers for their own defense from local communities, and they were basically somewhere between Paul Blart: Mall Cop and Keystone Kops.

The stormtroopers on Tatooine were 501st. The ones on the Deathstar (at lest, some of them) probably were, as well, given Vader’s presence. DS-1 troopers wouldn’t have been there if they weren’t competent, at least.

Aljernon@lemmy.today on 19 Dec 12:34 collapse

IRL less than 1% of rifle rounds fired in battle by US soldiers actually hit the enemy.

Also, in Star Wars, those Storm Troopers on the Death Star are firing at someone incredibly strong in the force most of the time.

Damage@feddit.it on 02 Dec 2025 13:40 next collapse

Yeah but that sniper was the famous raider Swargo Tulponian, there are 3 books in the expanded universe about him

massive_bereavement@fedia.io on 02 Dec 2025 13:57 next collapse

Coming soon to Disney Plus

threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works on 02 Dec 2025 17:23 collapse

Swargo Tuponian: A Star Wars Story

dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net on 02 Dec 2025 14:01 next collapse

I genuinely have no idea if you’re serious or trolling.

toynbee@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:32 next collapse

All relevant books were rendered noncanon when Disney bought the property, so it doesn’t matter.

NaibofTabr@infosec.pub on 02 Dec 2025 14:38 next collapse

You take that back.

toynbee@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:42 next collapse

Sadly, it wasn’t my decision.

DaGeek247@fedia.io on 02 Dec 2025 14:47 collapse

That's what Disney did.

Klear@quokk.au on 02 Dec 2025 14:52 next collapse

Who gives a fuck what Disney considers canon?

I mean, yeah, a lot of people do, but they shouldn’t.

toynbee@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:57 next collapse

Fair.

UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca on 02 Dec 2025 15:50 next collapse

Who gives a fuck about who gives a fuck what Disney considers canon!

Damage@feddit.it on 02 Dec 2025 18:03 next collapse

Swargo is real to me

slaacaa@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 22:23 collapse

Everything before and after The Empire Strikes Back is non-canon

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 02 Dec 2025 22:59 collapse

the entirety of cannon is the six minutes of a new hope starting at the 32 minute mark. everything else i refuse to acknowledge as relevant

wewbull@feddit.uk on 02 Dec 2025 16:10 collapse

Disney is non-canon.

toynbee@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 16:22 next collapse

I support your mission.

Quill7513@slrpnk.net on 02 Dec 2025 23:00 collapse

the cannon is anything we the fans find compelling. everything else is only maintained by adherents of mousketeer orthodoxy

hOrni@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:34 next collapse

I took the risk and googled it. He’s trolling.

Klear@quokk.au on 02 Dec 2025 14:51 collapse

We got Swargo’d!

MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca on 02 Dec 2025 15:34 collapse

You can swargo my balls.

CuriousRefugee@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Dec 2025 15:39 next collapse

That describes the entire Star Wars Expanded Universe. Every character was critically important to the survival of the galaxy! Some strong books, some weak ones, and its ridiculous storylines all look phenomenal compared to the travesty of Disney canon, IMO

BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 16:18 collapse

the name is far too normal for tusken raider

TheTechnician27@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:21 collapse

The Glup Shiddo cameo in the second book was squandered potential.

bitjunkie@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 15:29 next collapse

Seriously about to check Neural Viz for these names

CuriousRefugee@discuss.tchncs.de on 02 Dec 2025 15:37 collapse

True, but I liked how they referenced Glup in the early Yuu’zhan Vong books by the asking about how he basically was the only reason Tattooine survived the Desolation! Nice nod to previous characters

TheTechnician27@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 17:06 collapse

The Yuu’zhan Vong books were fucking great in comparison. They finally gave us some closure on how Swargo and Yuu’zhan made that black vase in Luke’s home on Tattoine (present in the background when Obi-Wan gives Anakin’s lightsaber to Luke). We’d have to wait three years for the Morp Pumboô quadrilogy of comics to see how the materials got stolen to make it in the first place, but it was worth it.

someguy3@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 13:50 next collapse

They lost a little something after, you know, the incident.

aislopmukbang@sh.itjust.works on 02 Dec 2025 13:58 next collapse

Sand people sound like when the windex bottle is running low

snooggums@piefed.world on 02 Dec 2025 14:08 collapse

They are basically Fremen but everyone in the view uses a slur instead.

LyD@lemmy.ca on 02 Dec 2025 17:00 collapse

The only good episode of the Book of Boba Fett with Boba Fett in it was just Dune in a trenchcoat

ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Dec 2025 14:11 next collapse

My favorite nitpick in the phantom menace is in that scene.

In the Cinematic release, and I think the VHS release as well, the Tusken raiding party here is using Slugthrowers, a weapon primarily only used against Lightsaber wielders since it can’t be deflected like a blaster bolt.

When it was re-released for DVD it was changed to a Red Blaster bolt. Personally, I think it makes more sense for the Tusken people to use slugthrowers, since they have access to everything they need to make gunpowder on Tatooine (guano from caves, hydrocarbons from the black fruit sugar), but to attain blaster gas they need to trade with the Settlements, something they prefer against.

Akagigahara@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 15:38 next collapse

I’m sure they could raid some here and there. Considering Tattooine is Outer Rim and considered dangerous, I wouldn’t be surprised if the villages or homesteads they raid would contain some.

Of course, this would make the use here a bit weird but maybe they used the blasters for fast moving targets? I image they’d also attack smaller caravans of speeders or something, and for those a slugthrower might not be fast enough.

UnspecificGravity@infosec.pub on 03 Dec 2025 04:10 collapse

Not sure what the canon says, but it really seems like blaster bolts travel considerably more slowly than a high power rifle bullet, so I’d still pick the slug thrower.

guy@piefed.social on 02 Dec 2025 17:03 collapse

Wouldn’t just a light sabre incinerate a slug?

Ostrichgrif@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 17:13 next collapse

Not positive on the actual physics but in universe they can’t block the slugs, the metal just gets superheated and goes through the lightsaber

communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz on 02 Dec 2025 17:35 next collapse

Congrats, you successfully got shot with molten metal instead of regular metal.

ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Dec 2025 18:20 next collapse

It would melt it, spraying the wielder with molten metal.

Buddahriffic@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 22:59 collapse

There was a sith, former apprentice of Vader in the good canon version that used a weapon that was like a cat o nine tails but it used both energy and normal metal components and jedi had a very hard time dealing with it, other than Luke, which the good canon had progress into a powerful Jedi that could even force project an image of himself without dying, but also valued his friendships and connections and didn’t briefly consider killing his own nephew and would have never fucking gone into hiding as a hermit instead of dealing with the problem he created.

Anyways, this devolved a bit into a fuck Disney rant, but the point was that someone using a weapon that combined lightsabre blades with metal blades was extremely effective against jedi just using lightsabres. Luke could only handle her because he was a beast with and without a lightsabre.

sundray@lemmus.org on 02 Dec 2025 15:16 next collapse

Lucas: “Should I go back and read what I wrote before? Nah… nobody’s going to care, it’s just movie.”

Tattorack@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 15:29 next collapse

Some of that Sand People racism from Anakin must’ve rubbed off on Obiwan.

Atomic@sh.itjust.works on 02 Dec 2025 15:29 next collapse

What they don’t tell you is the podracer he was aiming at flew by 6 seconds earlier.

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 15:35 next collapse

More like clone troopers.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 02 Dec 2025 16:47 next collapse

I don’t remember the dialogue like that. I’m sure my brain has been polluted by decades of nonsense…but I remember the point of that scene being that Imperials had better weapons, not aim.

HereIAm@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 17:36 collapse

I just went and checked, and the line is indeed “only imperial stormtroopers are so precise”.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 02 Dec 2025 21:41 collapse

I also went and checked…yes he said that…but he wasn’t referring to the precision of the targeting…how would he be able to judge that? In my mind he was referring to the type of blaster bolts. Or…in my mind when I was 12 or whenever I saw it.

HereIAm@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 23:01 collapse

I assume the marks from the shots are aimed at specific components to stop the sand crawler.

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 23:10 next collapse

“Uhh, yes, we were definiatly aiming those components sir.”

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world on 03 Dec 2025 03:31 collapse

Meh, I guess that could have been it…but I think in order to think that’s what he meant you have to be reverse engineering the meme. I just took it to mean “these look like Imperial blaster burns…they’re from better weapons”.

m33@lemmy.zip on 02 Dec 2025 17:45 next collapse

That one particular Stormtrooper: I need something robust. Precise.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world on 02 Dec 2025 19:24 next collapse

wife and i are working our way through machete order and we’ve been joking how racist people are (especially leia) toward wookiees. so like racist toward sand people doesn’t sound out of character for old Steve Obi-wan Ben Larry Kenobi.

sundray@lemmus.org on 03 Dec 2025 08:01 collapse

“His name’s Duke… cash is fine.”

Aljernon@lemmy.today on 19 Dec 12:33 collapse

IRL less than 1% of rifle rounds fired in battle by US soldiers actually hit the enemy.