backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
on 03 Jun 22:54
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It is. In old canon there was the idea that Plagueis and Palpatine trying to create “life” in their quest to cheat death might have been why the Force responded by creating Anakin. There was also a fan theory that Sidious secretly used the Force to impregnate Shmi to create the perfect apprentice, but that was based off an awkwardly drawn comic panel that seemed to give that impression but the writers stated that was not the intention. Currently, Anakin is pure will of the Force. Per Lucas, the intent of the story was what we got in the Prequels and OT- Anakin/Vader’s actions balanced the Force by reducing the two competing sects to nothing, and despite being a “Jedi”, Luke is not a Jedi like the order had been, he’s far more balanced and will be because he’s not dogmatic. The return of Palpatine in Legends (Dark Empire) and Disney both violate Lucas’ original intent.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:18
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Per Lucas
His answers change from interview to interview, so oddly enough the creator of Star Wars isn’t a reliable source on canon.
_stranger_@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:29
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He sold that right for FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
on 03 Jun 23:29
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lol, yeah. He’s got a great imagination, questionable execution, and should never be allowed to write dialogue. I’ve never forgiven him for trying to turn space magic into “actually it’s some symbiotes that live in your blood”. Bruh, space magic was better because whatever the Force is, it’s wildly inconsistent and entirely plot driven. Sometimes you can pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, sometimes you can fly through the vacuum of space, sometimes you can crush a dude’s throat a few light years away, some times you can do all that but you don’t have the high ground and are absolutely fucked. Whatever man, space wizards with laser sword and telekinesis; fuck yeah.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:49
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Not gonna lie, I might be the one person to actually like midichlorians. Though that’s because it was yet another poorly-defined plot element where your imagination could come up with a better explanation than whatever dross Lucas would have turned them into (ugh, look up the Whills - one of his plans for the sequels was basically Fantastic Voyage).
I spent days thinking up theories to explain midichlorians after The Phantom Menace released, which was probably more enjoyment than I got out of the film itself.
Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
on 03 Jun 19:39
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Yeah here’s the real reaction from those kids:
Goodeye8@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 21:28
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Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:12
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Until Rise of the Skywalker, but we don’t talk about that mess.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
OpenStars@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 22:09
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plot armor is a helluva thing
ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 22:25
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Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
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He really should have gone to super-hell. The Force is kind of a pushover.
I think it’s canon that his dad is The Force, so…
Nepotism!
It is. In old canon there was the idea that Plagueis and Palpatine trying to create “life” in their quest to cheat death might have been why the Force responded by creating Anakin. There was also a fan theory that Sidious secretly used the Force to impregnate Shmi to create the perfect apprentice, but that was based off an awkwardly drawn comic panel that seemed to give that impression but the writers stated that was not the intention. Currently, Anakin is pure will of the Force. Per Lucas, the intent of the story was what we got in the Prequels and OT- Anakin/Vader’s actions balanced the Force by reducing the two competing sects to nothing, and despite being a “Jedi”, Luke is not a Jedi like the order had been, he’s far more balanced and will be because he’s not dogmatic. The return of Palpatine in Legends (Dark Empire) and Disney both violate Lucas’ original intent.
His answers change from interview to interview, so oddly enough the creator of Star Wars isn’t a reliable source on canon.
He sold that right for FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.
lol, yeah. He’s got a great imagination, questionable execution, and should never be allowed to write dialogue. I’ve never forgiven him for trying to turn space magic into “actually it’s some symbiotes that live in your blood”. Bruh, space magic was better because whatever the Force is, it’s wildly inconsistent and entirely plot driven. Sometimes you can pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, sometimes you can fly through the vacuum of space, sometimes you can crush a dude’s throat a few light years away, some times you can do all that but you don’t have the high ground and are absolutely fucked. Whatever man, space wizards with laser sword and telekinesis; fuck yeah.
Not gonna lie, I might be the one person to actually like midichlorians. Though that’s because it was yet another poorly-defined plot element where your imagination could come up with a better explanation than whatever dross Lucas would have turned them into (ugh, look up the Whills - one of his plans for the sequels was basically Fantastic Voyage).
I spent days thinking up theories to explain midichlorians after The Phantom Menace released, which was probably more enjoyment than I got out of the film itself.
Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance
Yeah here’s the real reaction from those kids:
Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
Until Rise of the Skywalker, but we don’t talk about that mess.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
plot armor is a helluva thing
Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
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Obi-Wan “Why does he get to be a young ghost”
Also Yoda.
Yoda wants to be a DILF ghost
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Because that’s how he looked when Anakin died and Darth Vader was born
he’s there to finish what he started! RUN