backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
on 03 Jun 22:54
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It is. In old canon there was the idea that Plagueis and Palpatine trying to create “life” in their quest to cheat death might have been why the Force responded by creating Anakin. There was also a fan theory that Sidious secretly used the Force to impregnate Shmi to create the perfect apprentice, but that was based off an awkwardly drawn comic panel that seemed to give that impression but the writers stated that was not the intention. Currently, Anakin is pure will of the Force. Per Lucas, the intent of the story was what we got in the Prequels and OT- Anakin/Vader’s actions balanced the Force by reducing the two competing sects to nothing, and despite being a “Jedi”, Luke is not a Jedi like the order had been, he’s far more balanced and will be because he’s not dogmatic. The return of Palpatine in Legends (Dark Empire) and Disney both violate Lucas’ original intent.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:18
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Per Lucas
His answers change from interview to interview, so oddly enough the creator of Star Wars isn’t a reliable source on canon.
_stranger_@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:29
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He sold that right for FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 00:11
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I’m less upset about him selling those rights (after all, four billion dollars is four billion dollars) and more about who he sold them to. Yeah, Disney is one of the few studios with the resources and talent to rival Industrial Light and Magic, but their higher-ups are infamously meddlesome bureaucrats* who chase fads and hammer down anything thought-provoking or controversial so they can release a bland product that can be sold to anyone.
Say what you want about Lucas (and believe me, there’s plenty to say about him), at least he somewhat cared about his universe. Disney only cared how much they could exploit it for profit, to the degree that Lucas’s toy and merchandise-driven designs seem quaint in comparison.
* Autocorrect wanted that to say butchers, which also fits.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
on 03 Jun 23:29
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lol, yeah. He’s got a great imagination, questionable execution, and should never be allowed to write dialogue. I’ve never forgiven him for trying to turn space magic into “actually it’s some symbiotes that live in your blood”. Bruh, space magic was better because whatever the Force is, it’s wildly inconsistent and entirely plot driven. Sometimes you can pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, sometimes you can fly through the vacuum of space, sometimes you can crush a dude’s throat a few light years away, some times you can do all that but you don’t have the high ground and are absolutely fucked. Whatever man, space wizards with laser sword and telekinesis; fuck yeah.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:49
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Not gonna lie, I might be the one person to actually like midichlorians. Though that’s because it was yet another poorly-defined plot element where your imagination could come up with a better explanation than whatever dross Lucas would have turned them into (ugh, look up the Whills - one of his plans for the sequels was basically Fantastic Voyage).
I spent days thinking up theories to explain midichlorians after The Phantom Menace released, which was probably more enjoyment than I got out of the film itself.
Midichlorians killed my childhood. Right there in the theatre. Dragged little ‘x’ year old me out of long-term, foundational memory and blastered it right in the back of the head.
Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus
on 03 Jun 19:39
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Yeah here’s the real reaction from those kids:
Goodeye8@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 21:28
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Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 23:12
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Until Rise of Skywalker, but we don’t talk about that mess.
But we do talk about the mess that is the prequels?
If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
As someone who watched both the PT and ST as an adult, the ST was way more interesting and better made than the PT.
Obviously they both suck compared to the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid LOL.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 02:56
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The prequels and sequels were bad in completely different ways. The prequels are poorly written and directed, but the core ideas are good and recontextualize the original movies in a way that both makes thematic sense and arguably improves them. In comparison, the sequels are beautifully shot, creatively bankrupt fanfiction that undermines everything that came before.
The Original Trilogy stands on its own without any other context. It’s the story of one man’s rise from humble beginnings to becoming the hero who takes down a corrupt Empire and acts as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.
The Prequels change that, with the six movies now becoming the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. They also show how Luke lacks the flaws of the old Jedi Order while avoiding the traps that ensnared and corrupted his father, giving hope that he and his friends can build a better and more resilient system from the ashes of the old.
With the Sequels added, what story does the overall series tell? That Skywalkers have good intentions but inevitably fuck things up, only to redeem themselves through suicide? That it doesn’t matter if Good triumphs over Evil because the heroes will end up lower than where they started, the status quo maintained, and the same villains will pop back up again for the next generation to deal with anyway? They’re a narrative mess that adds negative value to the existing saga.
TallonMetroid@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 07:48
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If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
A decade? You mean in 3 years? Those kids have started posting on the internet already, and they still don’t give a shit.
The sequels are literally just a copy paste of the original trilogy with a different skin. The prequels may not tell a great story, but at least it’s original.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jun 17:18
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Hey now let’s be fair, they also stole points from the Dark Empire story line. The funny thing is that people have always had issues with Dark Empire but at least when they brought back Palpatine there we also got darkside Luke with the best outfit IMO and also Jedi Leia.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
on 04 Jun 00:48
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Luke and Leia also had plenty of time to learn from Obi-Wan and Yoda, or to read the sacred texts themselves.
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
OpenStars@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 22:09
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plot armor is a helluva thing
ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world
on 03 Jun 22:25
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Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
Qui Gon hard in denial, giving a confused and full of mixed feelings Vader secret force lessons. Palpatine, knowing his apprentice is fragile in that area, lets it slide when he notices, not wanting to deal with a whiney Anakin again after calming him down about the Padme thing.
Which was also part of the reason he didn’t say anything about Vader’s many apprentices; partially because he hoped Vader would train his own replacement, partially because if Vader didn’t think he had to keep it secret, he’d complain Palpatine’s ear off about it like he used to do as a Jedi. It was fun while he was manipulating him towards the dark side but just annoying now that the honeymoon phase was over.
PugJesus@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 19:56
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Obi-Wan “Why does he get to be a young ghost”
BillyClark@piefed.social
on 03 Jun 20:16
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squaresinger@lemmy.world
on 04 Jun 16:37
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Tbh, Anakin’s redemption never felt earned to me. That guy was literally Hitler’s right hand man for a very long time, committing all sorts of horrible things.
And all he had to do to wash his slate clean is 30 seconds of murdering the right person.
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He really should have gone to super-hell. The Force is kind of a pushover.
I think it’s canon that his dad is The Force, so…
Nepotism!
It is. In old canon there was the idea that Plagueis and Palpatine trying to create “life” in their quest to cheat death might have been why the Force responded by creating Anakin. There was also a fan theory that Sidious secretly used the Force to impregnate Shmi to create the perfect apprentice, but that was based off an awkwardly drawn comic panel that seemed to give that impression but the writers stated that was not the intention. Currently, Anakin is pure will of the Force. Per Lucas, the intent of the story was what we got in the Prequels and OT- Anakin/Vader’s actions balanced the Force by reducing the two competing sects to nothing, and despite being a “Jedi”, Luke is not a Jedi like the order had been, he’s far more balanced and will be because he’s not dogmatic. The return of Palpatine in Legends (Dark Empire) and Disney both violate Lucas’ original intent.
His answers change from interview to interview, so oddly enough the creator of Star Wars isn’t a reliable source on canon.
He sold that right for FOUR BILLION DOLLARS.
I’m less upset about him selling those rights (after all, four billion dollars is four billion dollars) and more about who he sold them to. Yeah, Disney is one of the few studios with the resources and talent to rival Industrial Light and Magic, but their higher-ups are infamously meddlesome bureaucrats* who chase fads and hammer down anything thought-provoking or controversial so they can release a bland product that can be sold to anyone.
Say what you want about Lucas (and believe me, there’s plenty to say about him), at least he somewhat cared about his universe. Disney only cared how much they could exploit it for profit, to the degree that Lucas’s toy and merchandise-driven designs seem quaint in comparison.
* Autocorrect wanted that to say butchers, which also fits.
lol, yeah. He’s got a great imagination, questionable execution, and should never be allowed to write dialogue. I’ve never forgiven him for trying to turn space magic into “actually it’s some symbiotes that live in your blood”. Bruh, space magic was better because whatever the Force is, it’s wildly inconsistent and entirely plot driven. Sometimes you can pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit, sometimes you can fly through the vacuum of space, sometimes you can crush a dude’s throat a few light years away, some times you can do all that but you don’t have the high ground and are absolutely fucked. Whatever man, space wizards with laser sword and telekinesis; fuck yeah.
Not gonna lie, I might be the one person to actually like midichlorians. Though that’s because it was yet another poorly-defined plot element where your imagination could come up with a better explanation than whatever dross Lucas would have turned them into (ugh, look up the Whills - one of his plans for the sequels was basically Fantastic Voyage).
I spent days thinking up theories to explain midichlorians after The Phantom Menace released, which was probably more enjoyment than I got out of the film itself.
Midichlorians killed my childhood. Right there in the theatre. Dragged little ‘x’ year old me out of long-term, foundational memory and blastered it right in the back of the head.
Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance
Yeah here’s the real reaction from those kids:
Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
Until Rise of Skywalker, but we don’t talk about that mess.
But we do talk about the mess that is the prequels?
If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
As someone who watched both the PT and ST as an adult, the ST was way more interesting and better made than the PT.
Obviously they both suck compared to the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid LOL.
The prequels and sequels were bad in completely different ways. The prequels are poorly written and directed, but the core ideas are good and recontextualize the original movies in a way that both makes thematic sense and arguably improves them. In comparison, the sequels are beautifully shot, creatively bankrupt fanfiction that undermines everything that came before.
The Original Trilogy stands on its own without any other context. It’s the story of one man’s rise from humble beginnings to becoming the hero who takes down a corrupt Empire and acts as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.
The Prequels change that, with the six movies now becoming the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. They also show how Luke lacks the flaws of the old Jedi Order while avoiding the traps that ensnared and corrupted his father, giving hope that he and his friends can build a better and more resilient system from the ashes of the old.
With the Sequels added, what story does the overall series tell? That Skywalkers have good intentions but inevitably fuck things up, only to redeem themselves through suicide? That it doesn’t matter if Good triumphs over Evil because the heroes will end up lower than where they started, the status quo maintained, and the same villains will pop back up again for the next generation to deal with anyway? They’re a narrative mess that adds negative value to the existing saga.
A decade? You mean in 3 years? Those kids have started posting on the internet already, and they still don’t give a shit.
The sequels are literally just a copy paste of the original trilogy with a different skin. The prequels may not tell a great story, but at least it’s original.
Hey now let’s be fair, they also stole points from the Dark Empire story line. The funny thing is that people have always had issues with Dark Empire but at least when they brought back Palpatine there we also got darkside Luke with the best outfit IMO and also Jedi Leia.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
Luke and Leia also had plenty of time to learn from Obi-Wan and Yoda, or to read the sacred texts themselves.
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
plot armor is a helluva thing
Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
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Qui Gon hard in denial, giving a confused and full of mixed feelings Vader secret force lessons. Palpatine, knowing his apprentice is fragile in that area, lets it slide when he notices, not wanting to deal with a whiney Anakin again after calming him down about the Padme thing.
Which was also part of the reason he didn’t say anything about Vader’s many apprentices; partially because he hoped Vader would train his own replacement, partially because if Vader didn’t think he had to keep it secret, he’d complain Palpatine’s ear off about it like he used to do as a Jedi. It was fun while he was manipulating him towards the dark side but just annoying now that the honeymoon phase was over.
Obi-Wan “Why does he get to be a young ghost”
Also Yoda.
Yoda wants to be a DILF ghost
You misspelled “wants to be”, it should be “is”. 🤪
Was Yoda ever young?
Tbh Grogu already kinda got old man vibes
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Because that’s how he looked when Anakin died and Darth Vader was born
Yet that’s only true… from a certain point of view.
Ask George Lucas.
This is how Anakin’s force ghost looked in theatres in 1983:
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/a0e67a88-7cdd-446a-a59d-5bd78ae6e882.jpeg">
Then Darth Lucas decided to alter the movies in the 1990s and 2000s.
“I am altering the movies. Pray I don’t alter them any further.”
[blows dust off VHS tapes]
he’s there to finish what he started! RUN
Awkward.
Hawkweed is the only other English word that includes the “wkw” letter sequence.
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Awkward
we all have changeforce
Tbh, Anakin’s redemption never felt earned to me. That guy was literally Hitler’s right hand man for a very long time, committing all sorts of horrible things.
And all he had to do to wash his slate clean is 30 seconds of murdering the right person.
Just like in the Bible.
Hello my fellow kids!
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